farmshooter Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 hello all, iv got a .22lr and i want to apply for a foxing rifle and iv decided on a .223. when i applyed for my .22 i asked for a .223 as well, but they wouldnt grant me one as it can be used on some deer, and my feo wouldnt grant me one as i had no experiance shooting deer, even though thats not what i wanted it for. how do i get around this this time, i have had experiance now in shooting deer, but i dont want the .223 for this. and when i apply is there anything else i can do to make sure it goes through? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 i don,t understand a fao knocking you back on deer if you only applied for fox to be put on your ticket as foxes would be the only thing you could shoot legaly so this would be the only thing for him to make a decision about . but then again someone off this site may no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Im in the same boat as you, I applied for a .243 and was told to wait a year, but have now decided to go for a .223/22-250, so I will be watching this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxon88 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 how long have you held your FAC for? Its usually no problem getting a 22cf added if you have the land to use it. I've heard some people having a mentoring condition on their certificate but thats about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Im in the same boat as you, I applied for a .243 and was told to wait a year, but have now decided to go for a .223/22-250, so I will be watching this post. James.i cant see you having a problem with .223,i got mine on first application along with the .22lr and have since had a variation added for .22 air and a .17hmr. The .223 rifle was for fox/muntjac on the application and it came back as fox and any other lawful quarry. atb,Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikka.223 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I've heard some people having a mentoring condition on their certificate but thats about it. Have heard this aswell and think its pointless,for the first 6 months you must be accompanied with someone who has held the calibre.Some may think thats not unreasonable but if you let the gun sit in the cabinet for 6 months after being granted the calibre and then take it out on your own after the 6 month period is up it sort of makes it farcical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 i have a .223 with a mentoring condition. if you want to apply for centrefire then the best thing you can do is to get out and gain some experience with someone else who already has one. without experience it is too easy for your fao to refuse you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 hello all, iv got a .22lr and i want to apply for a foxing rifle and iv decided on a .223. when i applyed for my .22 i asked for a .223 as well, but they wouldnt grant me one as it can be used on some deer, and my feo wouldnt grant me one as i had no experiance shooting deer, even though thats not what i wanted it for. how do i get around this this time, i have had experiance now in shooting deer, but i dont want the .223 for this. and when i apply is there anything else i can do to make sure it goes through? thanks ask for it for fox and vermin there should be no probs with that, they put the small deer clause on automaticly as do essex police but if you dont want to shoot deer then if they dont put it on you you havent lost anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 ask for it for fox and vermin there should be no probs with that, they put the small deer clause on automaticly as do essex police but if you dont want to shoot deer then if they dont put it on you you havent lost anything This is going to sound facetious, it isn't meant to, I am just stunned by what you are saying! I have seldom heard of any region giving automatically things you have not asked for, when did they start adding small deer automatically to .22CF? Do they automatically give you expanding ammo to go with it, and a Moderator as well because they are concerned about your hearing. We live in a very strange world where many cannot get a centrefire for a fox without a Mentor, yet some regions apparently add everything possible even if you haven't asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornet 6 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I asked for .223 for vermin, ground game and fox, got all that and Muntjack and Chinese Water Deeer, I asked for and got a moderator. 3 months later I wanted to add a .22 Hornet, it was a struggle, but I did get it for vermin ground game and fox, but had to send in another letter explaining why I needed a moderator for it. Seems I should just use the one from the .223. the fact that it had the wrong thread for the hornet was not a very good reason. Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) This is going to sound facetious, it isn't meant to, I am just stunned by what you are saying! I have seldom heard of any region giving automatically things you have not asked for, when did they start adding small deer automatically to .22CF? Do they automatically give you expanding ammo to go with it, and a Moderator as well because they are concerned about your hearing. We live in a very strange world where many cannot get a centrefire for a fox without a Mentor, yet some regions apparently add everything possible even if you haven't asked. trust me they do add deer iv spoken to essex firearms.it differs from county to county i read a while ago that a bloke put in for a fac shotgun for pigeon and other vermin and was told by his licencing dept it was ilegal to use more than a 2+1 for vermin :blink: Edited January 2, 2011 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I was told not to put deer on my request by the BASC becuase its a great excuse for plod to knock you back on a CF application if you have no experience (so I am told) so I just said fox, even though there are more Muntjack on the land I shoot over than ever before I will wait a while and hopefully do some stalking elsewhere before I ask. Let them know you have no intention of shooting deer, only fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) trust me they do add deer iv spoken to essex firearms So...no DSC required in Essex, and ask for a .22CF for Fox and it arrives conditioned for appropriate deer as well, I'm surprised the county doesn't have a massive housing shortage with all the frustrated shooters from other counties moving in! ATB! Edited January 2, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 So...no DSC required in Essex, and ask for a .22CF for Fox and it arrives conditioned for appropriate deer as well, I'm surprised the county doesn't have a massive housing shortage with all the frustrated shooters from other counties moving in! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 northumbria force only take into consideration what you ask for they dont do nowt else i think essex are suckering you by adding deer :look: so they can place more condition on you. To my mind they are tampering with your application form by adding summit ya DID'NT APPLY FOR . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 northumbria force only take into consideration what you ask for they dont do nowt else i think essex are suckering you by adding deer :look: so they can place more condition on you. To my mind they are tampering with your application form by adding summit ya DID'NT APPLY FOR . so let me get this right you thinks its bad that a licenceing dept add something FOR FREE i dont get that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 so let me get this right you thinks its bad that a licenceing dept add something FOR FREE i dont get that YES if it gives them a reason to knock back an application as they have with the this topic starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 This is going to sound facetious, it isn't meant to, I am just stunned by what you are saying! I have seldom heard of any region giving automatically things you have not asked for, when did they start adding small deer automatically to .22CF? Do they automatically give you expanding ammo to go with it, and a Moderator as well because they are concerned about your hearing. We live in a very strange world where many cannot get a centrefire for a fox without a Mentor, yet some regions apparently add everything possible even if you haven't asked. Dekers i phone my local plod new years eve to ask what calibre i would need for fox in my area and he said get a .223 as i can shoot muntjac and chinese with it even though i did not mention them colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 i have a .223 with a mentoring condition. if you want to apply for centrefire then the best thing you can do is to get out and gain some experience with someone else who already has one. without experience it is too easy for your fao to refuse you. +1! Both feo's I've dealt with ask what relevant experience I've had before agreeing any firearm. :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo321 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 This is going to sound facetious, it isn't meant to, I am just stunned by what you are saying! I have seldom heard of any region giving automatically things you have not asked for, when did they start adding small deer automatically to .22CF? Do they automatically give you expanding ammo to go with it, and a Moderator as well because they are concerned about your hearing. We live in a very strange world where many cannot get a centrefire for a fox without a Mentor, yet some regions apparently add everything possible even if you haven't asked. On the mod very nearly , my feo said to put a mod down as you can't be refused because of my hearing on health and safety grounds ? . But i can't shoot fox with a 17hmr only vermin , So had to be 223 for fox! but no vermin inc and certainly no deer , i asked for a 223 + 17hmr after 12wks with my fac without any problem, it was mentioned about a mentor but i said i dont know anyone else who shoots and i go alone anyway . I goy it ok so so different everywhere , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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