farmshooter Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 hello all, just wondering realy why you have to lock away your ammo, why wouldnt a shelf inside the cabernet do?? surly its not going to make it more secure, if someone gets into your gun safe, the little door/lock on the ammo compartment isnt going to be much of a challenge? or is there some other obscure reason for it? and why do you not have to lock away shotgun ammo? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Because it's the law! I also assume the thought is you can do a lot of danger from a lot further away with a powerful rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmshooter Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 i no its the law, i just wondering why, and just because u can do damage further away, my point about the small lock on the door to the ammo locker is not much of a deterent if they got into the cabernt in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 i no its the law, i just wondering why, and just because u can do damage further away, my point about the small lock on the door to the ammo locker is not much of a deterent if they got into the cabernt in the first place? Mrs D and I were saying exactly that just after the feo had gone a couple of days ago. If you can get the main safe door open, the ammo door isn't going to be much of a problem. :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I have questioned this many times myself. But as said previously. It's the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Ammo and the rifles have to be stored separately, it is simply one extra layer of security before the rifle can become operational! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy011983 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 If you end up saying dont worry about the ammo then you might as well say dont worry about locking the gun up as someone will get it if they really want to. Its simply to try and make things harder for a thief. Its not designed to be impossible. Oh and they may be small locks on a gun safe but have you ever tried getting a safe open after losing your keys. I can tell you it isnt easy especially with two locks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktattoo Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Just makes a extra layer of security before the rifle can be used. If somebody has broken into your cabinet then yes another door isn't going to be much of a problem, however it does slow them down maybe just enough time for pc plod to turn up and catch them( but wouldn't hold my breath ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 If the ammo was just laying around the house and someone got hold of it, they could make a pretty crude, but effective rifle. Saying that... I did once see that if you place bullets on a fire, they become deadly little missiles which fire in all directions. Shotgun cartridges don't, they just make a popping sound. Maybe it's for your own protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 i no its the law, i just wondering why, and just because u can do damage further away, my point about the small lock on the door to the ammo locker is not much of a deterent if they got into the cabernt in the first place? Personaly I don't trust the little internal cabinet at all. Any criminal who has come prepared will have it open in about 2 seconds I have a far more secure top box with a 7 lever lock and 8mm door. With bolt and ammo in there the rifle is useless if stolen. If the ammo was just laying around the house and someone got hold of it, they could make a pretty crude, but effective rifle. Saying that... I did once see that if you place bullets on a fire, they become deadly little missiles which fire in all directions. Shotgun cartridges don't, they just make a popping sound. Maybe it's for your own protection. Any one who makes a "Zip gun" for a rifle calibre is going to blow his fingers off! I've seen many made for handgun calibres and even they are ****** dangerous at best. Putting them in the fire :o A small hand gun round doesn't make to big a noise and the bullet doesn't fly off. Everyone standing around the BBQ does wake up tho' I wouldn't stand there if some one chucked in a rifle round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) I went overboard with my security but as my FEO said, it would be VERY difficult for someone ill equipped to get into a BS standard gun cabinet, they would need specialist cutting equipment and if they came equiped with that, intent on getting thier hands on your guns then.... they would get them no matter how many levels of security there were. What he was more concerned about was children, other family members and opportunists getting at them (although there is evidence to suggest that where burglaries take place, the burglars tend to ignore guns as, they know if they get caught with guns the crime goes from probably attracting a slap on the wrist to 5 years behind bars!) To this end, he was just as concerned as to where I kept the keys to the GC as he was about the GC itself. The argument was (IIRC) that if a child, for eg, finds your cabinet keys and decides to have a nosey, if there is a working rifle in there with readily available ammo then curiosity, naivity and/or stupidity may well get the better of them and that is when tragic accidents happen. By having a separate locked cabinet for ammo it puts an other effective layer in there so, even if they get to your rifle, they can't make it work! The argument falls flat on it's face as soon as shotguns come into it as, we all know SGs are just as dangerous as rifles at close range so that argument should also require SG carts to be locked away too, although what he was saying did make perfect sense. The condition imposed on me by wife for having firearms in the house was that I had to be able to guarantee that the kids would not be able to get at them so I have my keys in a double layer digital safe (i.e. a key safe within a digital safe) that is almost impossible to find, then my bolts, ammo (including sc carts) & rifles are all in separate safes... excessive maybe but complies with wife and helps me sleep better at night. it is unlikely that anyone, even with heavy equipment could find then get at all components before AR arrived on the scene! As Billy mentioned, an SG cart on a fire is a real dissapointment, it just fizzles... A rifle cart on a fire woul kill at close range, plus there is the thing about it being relatively easy to make a crude gun. at the end of the day, with household (ish)items and a little skill & knowhow, the firearm is the easy part to fasion, ammunition would be almost impossible! So, in some respects, ammo would be more valuable than guns??? Edited January 9, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmshooter Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 cheers guys, some realy good answers that have answerd my question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineshooter Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Do you not have to store the bolt somewhere else as well on bolt action rifles, how many sets of keys do they want us to have/loose :o I have a seperate ammo safe in another room, and did go a little over the top keeping the bolt here, the mags there, etc. I know one day I will get to the range and will have forgotten a vital component, but as said it`s a requirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I have a seperate ammo safe in another room, and did go a little over the top keeping the bolt here, the mags there, etc. I know one day I will get to the range and will have forgotten a vital component, but as said it`s a requirement Who told you it's a requirement? I know people do remove the bolt for extra security, but that's for their own peace of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Who told you it's a requirement? I know people do remove the bolt for extra security, but that's for their own peace of mind. As Billy points out, it's is not a requirement as far as I am aware. I do it for my own piece of mind and to show the boss that I have done everything possible to comply with her rules!!! just makes it more difficult / unlikely that there will ever be a complete working firearm available. Edited January 9, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineshooter Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Sorry, locking ammo up is a requirement, the bit about the bolt was more another question, hence why I said "do you not have to store the bolt seperate". It is something I picked up on at my local gunshop, they keep the bolts seperate on guns in storage but not guns locked in the racks, when I picked up my new Cz from them, the rifle was out but the bolt was locked in the safe. As I say, I do it as it seems to make sense, in the end you just have to make it as difficult as you can for someone who may want to take whats not theirs. Edited January 9, 2011 by lineshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I always lock the bolt and magazines in with the ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 When i asked My feo he said its fine to have the bolt on the rifle when locked away but ive heard of some wanting the bolts kept with the ammo too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Sorry, locking ammo up is a requirement, the bit about the bolt was more another question, hence why I said "do you not have to store the bolt seperate". It is something I picked up on at my local gunshop, they keep the bolts seperate on guns in storage but not guns locked in the racks, when I picked up my new Cz from them, the rifle was out but the bolt was locked in the safe. As I say, I do it as it seems to make sense, in the end you just have to make it as difficult as you can for someone who may want to take whats not theirs. I think you'll find gun shops do it for a good reason. If someone decides to leg it whilst sizing up a rifle, they'll not find it easy to fire if it doesn't have a bolt. The FEO will probably expect the shop to take reasonable precautions to ensure fully functioning firearms don't get stolen. There are three perfectly good reasons why I don't separate them; 1) I don't have to 2) I don't want to have to drive all the way home to collect a forgotten bolt/magazine 3) if a thief manages to get into the cabinet they'll have very little difficulty opening the flimsy door in the ammo safe. In fact, I bet you I could open mine with a crowbar on the first try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 'all reasonable precautions'i have and i sleep easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 You don't even need a certificate to posses shotgun cartridges. That's why you don't need to lock them up. I keep the bolts in my rifles in the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Must say that I'm a bit confused as on both my cabinets the lock on the ammo compartment is identical to the two on the main door and the ammo compartment door itself is as robust and as well designed as the main door. Does your cabinet meet the oft quoted BS? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmshooter Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 yep mines a british standard gun cabernet, and the outside door has a double sided key single slot that you have to turn a full 360 degrees, and it opens 6 sliding bars all the way down the edge that retract into the door when open, and my ammo locker in the cabernet is a piece of sheet steel probz 4-5mm thick with a cicle key lock, like you get on a locker at a gym/swimming pool. its been inspected last year and is fine for my fo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1in9 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I got a safe from B&Q for my bolts and ammo, my FEO said it was ideal on inspection. £35 well spent. It also neatly fits slabs of shotgun carts stored on top of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I have always thought the ammo section inside of a cabinet is a bit of an afterthought. That is why I have a separate one not only because it holds more ammo but to make it all more secure. Good idea keeping the bolts separate from the rifle as I imagine a thief would go for the gun cabinet 1st and if time allowed try and get access to the ammo. So if it is separate there is more chance of the rifle being useless if stolen and if they try to gain access to the ammo an increased chance of getting caught due to the time involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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