Game rearer Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Our firearms officer in are area is granting firearms tickets to anyone. A certain person I know has no experience what so ever and has been granted a reasonably big caliber for someone with no experience. I have friends that I know have had experience and can't get the rifles there after I have been a keeper for a few years now and find this a disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Please expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Write a letter to his Superior voicing your concerns for matters of safety, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game rearer Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 The thing People need to understand there not toys a firearms officer should know better I have thought about emwriting a complaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Firstly if you are referring to your FEO you must remember that it not he who makes the decision but his boss the Firearms Licensing Manager. Secondly there is nothing in law that states one must have experience to gain a fac. All grants are based on the individual applicant and if the manager thinks the applicant warrants specific conditions of use added then he will add them to the fac. Unless you have read the chaps fac you really can't comment and to complain without knowing the facts seems a little churlish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Firstly if you are referring to your FEO you must remember that it not he who makes the decision but his boss the Firearms Licensing Manager. Secondly there is nothing in law that states one must have experience to gain a fac. All grants are based on the individual applicant and if the manager thinks the applicant warrants specific conditions of use added then he will add them to the fac. Unless you have read the chaps fac you really can't comment and to complain without knowing the facts seems a little churlish. Well said that man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Well said that man Yep, ive got a copy of the "guide to issuing a FAC" and it really is a list of yes / no questions, and gets signed off against various checks etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 OP, do you know the person well? If not, how do you know what's written on his licence? I mentor a lad who's got an HMR2 and he's a youngster. His conditions are that he cannot touch the rifle unless his dad is with him, which goes as far as getting it out the cabinet and in the car and to the shooting area. Then a listed mentor must look after him and he must not shoot the rifle unattended or with a non FAC holder. Would you deem that a reasonable grant of a firearm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 It can seem very unfair sometimes and the whole thing can seem like a bit of a lottery. In my experience people with their own land can have a massive advantage as the police deem it necessary to carry out their occupation. I know a young farmer who is as mad as a hatter who has been granted a 243 to supposably shoot fox's on his farm, in reality it seems its just a tool for him and his mates to entertain themselves, I have heard some well dodgy accounts of near accidents. Its not for me to judge I know but I had to jump through hoops to get my 243 and know a few in my county that have been refused 243 for fox alone. I don't know all the facts true and the police go through the same process with all of us but I think we all know someone that is maybe a little more of a risk than others but thats just the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game rearer Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah I would say that is because he is gaining the experience with an experience person I know of him he has no mentor and has of 60 acres to shoot on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game rearer Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah I would say that is because he is gaining the experience with an experience person I know of him he has no mentor and has of 60 acres to shoot on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game rearer Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Thankyou for your replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 If you feel strongly you should write to FLO with your concerns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Firstly if you are referring to your FEO you must remember that it not he who makes the decision but his boss the Firearms Licensing Manager. Secondly there is nothing in law that states one must have experience to gain a fac. All grants are based on the individual applicant and if the manager thinks the applicant warrants specific conditions of use added then he will add them to the fac. Unless you have read the chaps fac you really can't comment and to complain without knowing the facts seems a little churlish. Fully agree with the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 yes unless you know all the facts,you could get pepole in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game rearer Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah I understand that I wouldn't of said anything unless I new enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 This story is all too common, there always will be a huge difference in the licencing rules between forces and also between FEO`s, it really depends on what the person asked for and if the FEO thought it was reasonable and within the rules, they don`t have a tendency to issue things people aren`t entitled too, also you didn`t mention if this person punches paper or shoots on land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game rearer Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 He is hoping to shoot on land he has 60 acres so far and has been asking round for more ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 It has been said, and if we are honest we/you are short on presented facts. If you have concerns simply write to the region. ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 If you have concerns simply write to the region. ...But remember you might be spoiling it for everyone else. You might think you're hard done by, but I can assure you that if your licensing team all get the boot, a much stricter team will come into place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game rearer Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah I see what u saying but could go either way one complaint wouldn't make a difference but maybe one accident would I'll leave it I've had my firearms for a few years and I struggled to get a 243 I can't see how things have changed that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 How do you know he has no experience. Some people shoot abroad very often, but they may not have an FAC nor do they shoot in the UK. What appears to be a non shooter to the lay man, he could be very experienced and maybe an ex squaddie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game rearer Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Cos I know him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Yep, ive got a copy of the "guide to issuing a FAC" and it really is a list of yes / no questions, and gets signed off against various checks etc Be interested to read that, have you a link, or can you post it on the thread ? Better still PM me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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