gixer1 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Folks, I was wondering if anyone has a 22 WMR and if so how do you rate it? Can a 22lr round be used in a rifle chambered for wmr as I have read mixed answers on this. Also what is the average cost of 50 rounds for wmr and how does it compare to the 17hmr and 22lr Also how many peoples FAC specifically states LR,WMR or just simply 22? Could you in theory buy a 22-250 if your FAC just said bolt action 22?? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I think we have been here before, so have a look through history. It is certainly possible a WMR could fire a .22lr, but not recommended. The cartridge case is wider on the WMR (as well as longer) and whilst the .22lr could be loaded in the breech the bolt may struggle to lock on and fire, I've not tried and don't intend to!! The WMR hits hard, HARDER than the HMR as it can deliver up to about 320ft lb, it is also .22 rather than .17 so it makes bigger holes. WMR is a lot more powerful than the .22lr whichever way you look at it! WMR ammo is slightly cheaper than HMR ammo, but more than .22lr, and their is a much wider choice of WMR ammo than HMR (although not usually quite so easy to find), weights from 30g-40g usually with Ballistic tips, HP etc, but I have heard of 50g (never seen any). I have never been able to group WMR quite as tight as HMR, but does it really matter if the group is .5" or .75". The WMR gives me a feeling of confidence, I rate it a better foxing tool than HMR (generalisation, the HMR has its moments with fox), but the HMR is a better rabbit tool! And this bit..... Also how many peoples FAC specifically states LR,WMR or just simply 22? Could you in theory buy a 22-250 if your FAC just said bolt action 22?? Well, how long was that piece of string? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Thanks dekers, I did a search and your name came up a lot! I've bought a Winchester 9422M and to be honest I bought it thinking it could be used with but now see that is not the case, I had thought about getting a refund to buy a 22lr version but the more I read about the wmr the more I like it! More thump than an hmr, less effected by wind and cheaper to feed, less chance of ricochet and I'm not worried about meat damage, most of my shots are sub 100yards and it seems it would be a good caliber for lamping with the chance of a shot at a fox without the need to have the 243 bouncing around in the back, is all this about right in your experience dekers? Just out of interest does anyone put lr's through a wmr or have they done? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I have Ruger WMR which I'm in the process of selling,quite reluctantly actually,but I rarely use it nowadays so it's going.I wouldn't advise putting a lr through it,It may work,I don't know,I doubt they would cycle from the Rugers rotary magazine. If someone has applied for a rf and their ticket comes back .22 I don't think any RFD would even consider selling them a centre-fire .22.Again,this is just my opinion.Have fun with your rifle,the Wmr is a very impressive round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I'm in the middle of deciding between filling the .22RF slot i have left on my ticket. Choice is either a 10/22 for bunnies , or a WMR for Bunny / Fox (more Fox)...... and fyi my ticket states .22RF so WMR is a RF round should be fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby63 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) Do a search online by just entering wmr 22 theres a column explaining the 22 v 17 hmr and also explains on the rounds ? wmr being magnum so from what ive read defo dont mix lr and wmr. few links for you as follows http://www.chuckhawks.com/22mag.htm and http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_17HMR_22WMR.htm Also theres a one on here forsale wmr with a photo of rounds priced at £15.99 per 50 rounds alot dearer than lr rounds. Edited February 5, 2011 by nobby63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikka.223 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I think we have been here before, so have a look through history. It is certainly possible a WMR could fire a .22lr, but not recommended. The cartridge case is wider on the WMR (as well as longer) and whilst the .22lr could be loaded in the breech the bolt may struggle to lock on and fire, I've not tried and don't intend to!! The WMR hits hard, HARDER than the HMR as it can deliver up to about 320ft lb, it is also .22 rather than .17 so it makes bigger holes. WMR is a lot more powerful than the .22lr whichever way you look at it! WMR ammo is slightly cheaper than HMR ammo, but more than .22lr, and their is a much wider choice of WMR ammo than HMR (although not usually quite so easy to find), weights from 30g-40g usually with Ballistic tips, HP etc, but I have heard of 50g (never seen any). I have never been able to group WMR quite as tight as HMR, but does it really matter if the group is .5" or .75". The WMR gives me a feeling of confidence, I rate it a better foxing tool than HMR (generalisation, the HMR has its moments with fox), but the HMR is a better rabbit tool! And this bit..... Also how many peoples FAC specifically states LR,WMR or just simply 22? Could you in theory buy a 22-250 if your FAC just said bolt action 22?? Well, how long was that piece of string? Exactly why I bought a CZ 455 .22WMR today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Thanks dekers, I did a search and your name came up a lot! I've bought a Winchester 9422M and to be honest I bought it thinking it could be used with but now see that is not the case, I had thought about getting a refund to buy a 22lr version but the more I read about the wmr the more I like it! More thump than an hmr, less effected by wind and cheaper to feed, less chance of ricochet and I'm not worried about meat damage, most of my shots are sub 100yards and it seems it would be a good caliber for lamping with the chance of a shot at a fox without the need to have the 243 bouncing around in the back, is all this about right in your experience dekers? Just out of interest does anyone put lr's through a wmr or have they done? Regards, Gixer Neither the WMR or the HMR are particularly prone to ricochets, but ANY round can bounce. This is tricky as I have .22lr, HMR and WMR (as well as a few centrefires etc etc), they ALL have their uses and they are all different. If you were looking at a bunny/fox rifle out to 100yards then the WMR would just edge it for me over the HMR, mainly because it wins on fox! Both are perfectly capable of head shots on bunny at 100yards so meat damage may not be too much of a consideration, even with Ballistic tips, I feel the HMR scrapes it on the rabbit front though! The .243 is an excellent fox tool but if you are talking the occasional fox and under 100yards it is certainly not required, bit OTT for the bunny on the whole too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) If anyone is interested I have 500 fresh rounds of this stuff surplus to requirements and available for £100 TOTAL, still sealed! CCI .22WMR 40g Maxi Mag V HP. PM if interested. Cheers! Edit, there are more than 500 in the picture but only 500 available for sale! Edited February 5, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Dekers, Sorry, I meant the WMR would negate the need to have a 243 in the back of the motor! Not for rabbits! Thanks for all the input, I will definatley be taking this gun and I'm sure I'll enjoy it! What are the average rfd prices for Cci hp's per 50?? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steyrman Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Replaced my HMR for WMR some 3/4 months back 30grain Hornady gives 2200FPS ideal foxing tool imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Dekers, Sorry, I meant the WMR would negate the need to have a 243 in the back of the motor! Not for rabbits! Thanks for all the input, I will definatley be taking this gun and I'm sure I'll enjoy it! What are the average rfd prices for Cci hp's per 50?? Regards, Gixer Not sure what the RFD price would be of those CCI I listed above, certainly more than the £10 per 50 I am offering. I'm sure someone will be able to find a price somewhere and post it up. WMR for whatever reason does still seem to be slightly cheaper than HMR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 I think we have been here before, so have a look through history. It is certainly possible a WMR could fire a .22lr, but not recommended. The cartridge case is wider on the WMR (as well as longer) and whilst the .22lr could be loaded in the breech the bolt may struggle to lock on and fire, I've not tried and don't intend to!! The WMR hits hard, HARDER than the HMR as it can deliver up to about 320ft lb, it is also .22 rather than .17 so it makes bigger holes. WMR is a lot more powerful than the .22lr whichever way you look at it! WMR ammo is slightly cheaper than HMR ammo, but more than .22lr, and their is a much wider choice of WMR ammo than HMR (although not usually quite so easy to find), weights from 30g-40g usually with Ballistic tips, HP etc, but I have heard of 50g (never seen any). I have never been able to group WMR quite as tight as HMR, but does it really matter if the group is .5" or .75". The WMR gives me a feeling of confidence, I rate it a better foxing tool than HMR (generalisation, the HMR has its moments with fox), but the HMR is a better rabbit tool! And this bit..... Also how many peoples FAC specifically states LR,WMR or just simply 22? Could you in theory buy a 22-250 if your FAC just said bolt action 22?? Well, how long was that piece of string? Mine says .22 rimfire rifle.....on asking if I can buy a WMR, the answer was NO, it needs specifying.... :blink: Good job as the RFD would have sold me one. Once I move to notts, the wmr will be a serious choice, I can use it for fox, so the .204 can go, and the hmr, and if its cheaper than hmrto feed I get one rifle for all jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 But surely the the .22wmr is a .22rf? My ticket states .22rf rifle and Ammo, I know ppl who hve .22wmr in my area with the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 But surely the the .22wmr is a .22rf? My ticket states .22rf rifle and Ammo, I know ppl who hve .22wmr in my area with the same? The WMR most certainly is a Rimfire, but if a RFD won't sell you one then you need to go back to your region for clarification. This crops up quite regularly and personally I believe it is appalling documentation from the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 May pop an email to my feo first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Mine says .22 rimfire rifle.....on asking if I can buy a WMR, the answer was NO, it needs specifying.... :blink: Good job as the RFD would have sold me one. Once I move to notts, the wmr will be a serious choice, I can use it for fox, so the .204 can go, and the hmr, and if its cheaper than hmrto feed I get one rifle for all jobs. And the RFD would be perfectly within his rights to sell you one. This is an ongoing example of the appalling way the police administer things, the .22WMR is a .22RF, just where has any RFD broken the law selling you one? You have a slot for a .22rf. the WMR IS a .22rf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 And the RFD would be perfectly within his rights to sell you one. This is an ongoing example of the appalling way the police administer things, the .22WMR is a .22RF, just where has any RFD broken the law selling you one? You have a slot for a .22rf. the WMR IS a .22rf. try buying a wmr with a slot for .22rf at my local rfd you will be politely asked to "move along" KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Surely that's wrong though and just another way of getting £26 out of you to change wording on a cert! 22rf should cover all 22 .....Erm....rimfires! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 And the RFD would be perfectly within his rights to sell you one. This is an ongoing example of the appalling way the police administer things, the .22WMR is a .22RF, just where has any RFD broken the law selling you one? You have a slot for a .22rf. the WMR IS a .22rf. The above is correct and as it should be.I've been through this before.I own both lr and wmr,both are on my ticket as rf and all my .22 ammo allocation is down as .22rf,no specification between lr or wmr. I think if you're having problems with this anomaly you should seek your shooting organisations help.My RFD has no problem with this issue and in law the wmr is classed as a rimfire.Ask your rfd or your FEO to tell you what it is if it isn't a rimfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc89 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Changed to a wmr for foxes and long range rabbits. Really enjoy it and wouldnt change back to hmr. Just waiting to try these: http://www.hornady.com/store/22-WMR-30gr-VMAX/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Changed to a wmr for foxes and long range rabbits. Really enjoy it and wouldnt change back to hmr. Just waiting to try these: http://www.hornady.com/store/22-WMR-30gr-VMAX/ An interesting note from the Hornady website, if you look up the fps / ft/lb of the .17HMR (17g which i use) and .22WMR @ 100 Yards which is probably the normal range for most peoples bunnies / foxes on here the .17HMR actually carries more speed and more energy! although you have a heavier weight on the .22WMR it may be less likely to be affected by wind than the HMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Must admit,the 40grn WMR isn't as affected by the wind to the same extent as the 17grn HMR at extreme ranges,but the latter is much flatter shooting and still supersonic even after the former has gone sub',but at 100 yds the rabbit/fox isn't going to know this!They are both devastating rounds on rabbits,and head shoys are preferable if you intend to keep the meat.We always head-shot ours as one of the lads kept Raptors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 22 Hornet is the one that settles the debate for me - HMR and WMR have pros and cons, Hornet's only con is that you need to reload it to make it worthwhile. If you do, then it is the tool of choice as it has all the benefits of both WMR and HMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 22 Hornet is the one that settles the debate for me - HMR and WMR have pros and cons, Hornet's only con is that you need to reload it to make it worthwhile. If you do, then it is the tool of choice as it has all the benefits of both WMR and HMR. strange argument as its overkill on bunnies and we are talking a bunny gun here rather than anything else, hornet gets out performed by the .22cf's if you are using it on foxes in pretty much every way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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