adam f Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Right - I'm in the market for an HMR now my FAC is here. But what spec do I build? The rifle will be a CZ for sure, and I want the short 16" barrel for shooting from the truck, but the light American or the heavy Varmint barrel? Moderator? SAK seems to be most peoples choice but does it matter on the HMR? Ive been offered a Scirroco from one source - what are these like? Cheers Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Right - I'm in the market for an HMR now my FAC is here. But what spec do I build? The rifle will be a CZ for sure, and I want the short 16" barrel for shooting from the truck, but the light American or the heavy Varmint barrel? Moderator? SAK seems to be most peoples choice but does it matter on the HMR? Ive been offered a Scirroco from one source - what are these like? Cheers Adam The 16" barrel is a good choice wether shooting from the truck or just walking. If you are going to be shooting from the truck atleast 80% of the time I dont suppose it matters which you get standard/heavy. If you plan on walking about in my opinion there is no point in carrying a heavier rifle than is needed, and you dont need a heavy barrel on a rimfire. As for the moderator anything will do ie sak,sirroco as they are all basically the same and no mod will take the supersonic crack away. Good luck with what ever you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 If I was you I'd buy the bargain in the sales section quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Hi Adam, I have the CZ452 varmint with the 16" heavy barrel. My shooting mate has the American with the 16" barrel. It really is a matter of choice. Have a look at both if you can and see which you prefer. Funnily enough the american versions i have seen do seem to have better wood and thats certainly the case with my mates in comparison to my varmint. The SAK mod is excellent value for money at around £35. Its not worth spending any more on a mod to use with an hmr in my opinion as like has been said in a previous post the noise you hear is the super sonic crack rather than the report of the rifle. Dont forget to include in your budget a trigger kit which is probably the best modification you can do on any CZ and will transform your rifle. I got mine from South Yorkshire Shooting Supplies at £12 including p&p and would thoroughly recommend them. Excellent service and advice. Either way whichever CZ model you chose you will have a fine rifle that will give you years of service providing you look after it. Hope this helps ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Adam !!!! is that money burning in your pocket why not pop down to your local shop and have a feel for what you really (NEED) want ... Sportsman & gun are offering some combo deals ..Rifle, scope Mod and bag I'm hoping to be doing the same very soon... Ive been in and drooled many times over the Weihrauch HW60j but I have become a weihrauch tart good luck buddy on what ever you choose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam f Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Thanks for all the feedback. I had noticed the varying degrees of wood! The one for sale on here at the moment is very pretty - but I really dont like the long barrel. Are the trigger kits hard to fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Thanks for all the feedback. I had noticed the varying degrees of wood! The one for sale on here at the moment is very pretty - but I really dont like the long barrel. Are the trigger kits hard to fit? A 30min job depending how handy you are. There is nothing complicated about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 The trigger kits are not particularly hard to fit. They are supplied with full instructions however i got a mate of mine who does gunsmithing to fit it for me. There is a video on you tube as well that shows you how to do it. Just type in CZ triggers and you will find it. Its quite helpfull. I prefer the 16" barrel as well. Much easier to use from the vehicle ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurchers Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 ive got the savage mate and the only fault is the noise but i wouldnt change it brill gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian750 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I have a CZ American 16" with a scirocco moderator on it, I also have a CZ .22lr with a SAK on it and have swapped them about just to hear the noise difference. As has been said before, the HMR will be fairly loud no matter which you choose, but a couple of points to note, there is no real difference sound wise between the two, but the scirocco is slightly longer which if you want minimum barrel length my be a drawback. However the scirocco has chamfered edges on the mounting end, which do not refelect any light back when used under lamp, which I find the SAK does so I find I need to put cloth round the flat edges. The scirocco also isn't quite as fat as the SAK. Personally I didn't see the need for the heavy barrel version and haven't had any problems with mine at all. Best of luck with whatever you choose, they're a cracking rifle! :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootthewabbit Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I have a 20" CZ varmint with a scirocco mod, but when I bought it I couldn't see the point in paying more money for less metal!! Have had mine around three months now and love it!! Although I have just fell in love with an aunscth lol, I have been told that the lighter barreled CZ's are prone to getting hot after several rounds being put through them in a session. As said already good luck with which ever you choose as they are a great rifle for the money. Mine could be on here for sale pretty soon so you could always have mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Just to add, never had a problem with the lighter barrel getting hot and at the czowners meet they blaze away like shotguns atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Right - I'm in the market for an HMR now my FAC is here. But what spec do I build? The rifle will be a CZ for sure, and I want the short 16" barrel for shooting from the truck, but the light American or the heavy Varmint barrel? Moderator? SAK seems to be most peoples choice but does it matter on the HMR? Ive been offered a Scirroco from one source - what are these like? Cheers Adam I shoot the American in both my rimfires .22 and .17 with the shorter varmint barrel, balance is good and the gun is far from heavy unlike normal varmint barreled centrefires. heat up is no issue but thicker barrels do have the edge on accuraccy, admitedly a very fine one! What you do get is a fatter flatter forend more suited to bipods and window bags, again nothing like you might find on a centrefire forearm. The SAK is ok and fit for purpose, there are better but only by small margins and the price is a factor then. what a shame your first rimmie is a HMR though it has its uses don't get me wrong but do try the .22 with subs when you can especially if noise is anything of a factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I thought the american refered to the stock? Well who cares! I've the american 16 heavy varmint barrel,with a jager custom reflex mod,the sound is the best I've heard yet on a .17,I've got an old 3-9-40 hawk scope which has not lost zero in 3 years!!!!! I've good strong mounts for it,and a nylon,leather. Sling,I use the remmington gold box stuff as it likes them bestest! I find the hmr so accurate its scary! And its a one shot stop on bunnies. how far into dorset are you? If u pm me u can arrange a veiwing or even a range date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I thought the american refered to the stock? Well who cares! I've the american 16 heavy varmint barrel,with a jager custom reflex mod,the sound is the best I've heard yet on a .17,I've got an old 3-9-40 hawk scope which has not lost zero in 3 years!!!!! I've good strong mounts for it,and a nylon,leather. Sling,I use the remmington gold box stuff as it likes them bestest! I find the hmr so accurate its scary! And its a one shot stop on bunnies. how far into dorset are you? If u pm me u can arrange a veiwing or even a range date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Got to be the 16" Varmint Barrel. Got a S&B 8x56 on mine, works a treat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenjammer Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Hi Adam, I have the CZ452 varmint with the 16" heavy barrel. My shooting mate has the American with the 16" barrel. It really is a matter of choice. Have a look at both if you can and see which you prefer. Funnily enough the american versions i have seen do seem to have better wood and thats certainly the case with my mates in comparison to my varmint. ATB Pat Glad you said that about the wood mate because as you know I would never point that out to you to nark you off. Never ever, well hardly ever I can only endorse what has been said. It is easy to change the spring - look at You tube videos etc but do bear in mind some of the warnings given about brittle metal on the triggers - just take your time and be gentle. I did mine. Did you do yours Pat or did you bottle out get someone else to do it? I cannot remember? Do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong edit - sorry I see you confess in a later post! Edited February 8, 2011 by Katzenjammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam f Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I'd LOVE the thumbhole.... but my shooting buddy is a lefty and we often take it in turns to drive / shoot.... I'll consider the American in 16" then. This is my first rimmie, but I'll also get a .22 shortly as both on the ticket. Ive used a .22 a fair bit in the past and yes whilst they are very quiet after the range on the HMR I found it restricting and loopy... that said they do have their uses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Got to be the 16" Varmint Barrel. Got a S&B 8x56 on mine, works a treat! did you shoot that squirrel or drown it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 did you shoot that squirrel or drown it :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 did you shoot that squirrel or drown it well a bit of both really, an Orchard i have permission at has loads of squirrels, so before i went out for the bunnies i took the Daystate out to dust of the cobwebs! Shot this one out of the tree and to make sure it was done properly i shot it in such a way that it fell into a stream! I did shoot a second one about 30 yards from this one, but it sank! thats a pretty big squirrel as well, look at the rabbits in comparison! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Whatever you get will serve you well if its a CZ, saves looking too hard really, just get a CZ. I have no time for the heavy barrels when out in the field, serves no useful purpose for me and is just a heavier lump to cart around, some like them, just try a few before you buy and get what suits you best! Edit Moderator wise I have a SAK on my .22lr and my .22WMR. I have a Sirocco on my HMR (I have recently received a replacement for the Sirocco as the early models were simply not up the HMR/WMR use). If/when this Sirocco dies it will be SAK all round on my rimfires! Edited February 8, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_0787 Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Trigger kits really easy to fit. I think I have a spare one somewhere that you can have. It I was nuying again I'd get the thumbhole for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam f Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) @ Tom - well sell yours to me, and then buy a thumbhole! Edited February 9, 2011 by adam f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1in9 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I'd be tempted to land the new CZ 455, rather than the 452 which it is replacing, then you have the option of /calibres at a later date as the new rifles are modular, along with some other refinements. Most gunshops are stocking them now. Good comparison with the 452 here Thumbs up for the SAK moderator Plus some extra magazines Which ever model you end up with, they're cracking rifles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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