pigeon street Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 i am applying for my FAC. i will be shooting rabbits foxes with a view in the future to go for deer(thought i would start with the smaller cal first). But should i go for .22 or .17 or both??? as you may be able to tell i am a beginer when it comes to rifles. :blink: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Put down what you want to have and defo .22lr and .17hmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 make sure you put down for modorators at side of wat guns you want or you will not be able to buy them when u get gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yes definitely both! I really wish I had put in for FAC air and mod when I applied as although I don't want one I could have used the slot for a FOC 1 for 1 variation for a larger calibre! If they grant .22/.17 rimfires the FAC Air is a formality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) i am applying for my FAC. i will be shooting rabbits foxes with a view in the future to go for deer(thought i would start with the smaller cal first). But should i go for .22 or .17 or both??? as you may be able to tell i am a beginer when it comes to rifles. :blink: :blink: Depending on where you are from you may also want to put down for a cf calibre as some forces don't allow rf for fox, just a thought. Edited February 10, 2011 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon street Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 this is the problem? im in suffolk not sure what there thought are on rf for foxes, think i best give them a call. so do you all think i should go for .22 and .17 with moderator plus air fac which can the at a later date be changed to a larger cf or should i put down for that at the start? and if so which? .22/50??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon street Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 also is there a bit of overlap with the .22 and .17? will they say if you have one why do you need the other, if i go for a lager cf as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 also is there a bit of overlap with the .22 and .17? will they say if you have one why do you need the other, if i go for a lager cf as well. They are sufficiently different. .22 quiet and close, .17 double the range, less risk of ricochet but noisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I put down a 22lr for the bunnies a 17hmr for long distance rabit and short distance fox (make sure your area allows 17 for fox) and a 222 for fox..you will more than likely need a mentor for the CF cal and try to get a letter from a good shooter who could mentor you.. also get a letter from landowner stating what you can shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) I think you need to be careful when putting the HMR for foxes. A lot of forces are against it and may look and think that you are inexperienced as you're asking for a rf round for a large animal. I know it will stop a fox, no problem, but quite a few people in the firearms side will just read and follow the book. If they think you're asking for something which is not powerful enough (in their documents) they might think you need some conditions putting on your ticket. Go for a nice calibre, like the 22-250 or 223. I'm sure they'll let you have that. Just make sure you've got some hands on experience and get someone to provide a separate reference and you'll have no problem with a CF being granted. Edited February 11, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I think you need to be careful when putting the HMR for foxes. A lot of forces are against it and may look and think that you are inexperienced as you're asking for a rf round for a large animal. I know it will stop a fox, no problem, but quite a few people in the firearms side will just read and follow the book. If they think you're asking for something which is not powerful enough (in their documents) they might think you need some conditions putting on your ticket. Go for a nice calibre, like the 22-250 or 223. I'm sure they'll let you have that. Just make sure you've got some hands on experience and get someone to provide a separate reference and you'll have no problem with a CF being granted. And I DON'T suggest getting a .222 unless you intend to reload, dig round the web and you will see why! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon street Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 .22lr for close rabbits, .17 for long shots on rabbits and 22-250 for fox. should i put down for the air fac that i can change to a larger cal in the future for Deer? or just go with the 3 i need and add the other when i need it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Depending on the ground you have now you may aswell scratch the 22.250 and go straight for a deer legal rifle if that is what you need. Pointless buying 2 cf rifles when you can get 1 that will do both jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Don't bother with an FAC air. Spend the money you would have wasted on an airgun on a nice scope. I'm not sure where this fac air 1for1 to larger calibre comes from. Im pretty sure your licensing department will raise an eyebrow when you ask to go from an airgun to a .270 Edited February 12, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon street Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 what is the minimum cal for deer is it .243 or does it depend on the species? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 And I DON'T suggest getting a .222 unless you intend to reload, dig round the web and you will see why! Thats Bull **** Ive never had any problems getting ammo...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I'm not sure where this fac air 1for1 to larger calibre comes from. Im pretty sure your licensing department will raise an eyebrow when you ask to go from an airgun to a .270 if you have an empty slot it means that you can apply for a variation and it wont cost you anything, they wont simply swap it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Thats Bull **** Ive never had any problems getting ammo...................... Come on, lets not go down this well trodden path again. I'm not having a go at the .222, it is a very fine calibre, but to get the best from it many find they need to reload, on top of which you will have a problem getting factory ammo for it in the future, it is heading the way of Hornet and WMR, still available for sure but not sitting on every RFD's shelf! The .223 has taken over, fact, and several gun manufacturers have already dropped the .222, including Remington (unless I have missed one somewhere) who "Invented" the .222. .222 is not a sensible suggestion for a newcomer to centrefires, unless you are a .222 owner trying to sell one of course! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) There are some good eggspurts on here it seems As far as i have seen there doesnt seem to be any shortage of ammo available, now if the manufactures are ceasing production of .222 ammuntion then you must have a very close relationship with quite a few large company's that are still producing said ammo. were do people get this info from about the .222 ending up joining the Wooly Mammoth. By all means give your opinion but to say you aint going to be able to get ammo for it is utter codswollop. Oh! no i aint got a 222, a good friend of mine has though and no he does not intend on selling and doesnt reload and drops Fox's at 200 yards plus with factory loads he buys from a bog standard RFD. thanks Edited February 12, 2011 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Oh! no i aint got a 222, a good friend of mine has though and no he does not intend on selling and doesnt reload and drops Fox's at 200 yards plus with factory loads he buys from a bog standard RFD. thanks I bet he pays through the teeth for the rounds. If the 222 is anything like the 22-250 it's around £25 for 20. Not the price I'd be willing to pay. It might drop a fox at 200 but with a £1.25 pricetag, it's a bit much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Minimum calibre if you want to shoot all species of Deer is .243. If you just have Muntjac or Chinese Water Deer then a .22 centrefire making 1000ft-lbs of muzzle energy with a 50gr+ bullet is acceptable. Generally that means no less than .222. With you asking these simple questions I would take a step back from the Deer for now. Ask for a lesser .22cf for Foxes as the .22-250 will make it look like you're pushing your luck. A .223 will do all you ask of it and is also Munjac/CWD legal. Regarding the point above about the police getting funny about asking for a one for one from FAC air to .270, that's not accurate. I did a one for one from a moderator slot to a large bore rifle before. It's all about numbers of slots on the ticket. What the slot is means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 were do people get this info from about the .222 ending up joining the Wooly Mammoth. By all means give your opinion but to say you aint going to be able to get ammo for it is utter codswollop. Nobody said you wont be able to get ammo. Rather that the .223 is easier to feed cheaply without home loading. As Dekers has already said (and I will take his word for it), Remington have dropped .222 from their range. Then think that Lapua have stopped making the brass. Now... That doesn't mean it's a dead round by any means but it does mean it's slowly losing ground to other calibres, and to quote Dekers again that is the .223 - fact! I'm not having a go as I shoot a Hornet and really respect it as a round, but last time I bought factory ammo for it I paid £1 per round - FOR HORNET?!?! :o No centrefire round will ever die. Cases can be formed from other calibres and as long as the bullet isn't a weird size they will be available too. Doesn't make one of those oddballs a good choice for someone after a simple and cheap to feed Fox basher now does it?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 With you asking these simple questions I would take a step back from the Deer for now. Ask for a lesser .22cf for Foxes as the .22-250 will make it look like you're pushing your luck. A .223 will do all you ask of it and is also Munjac/CWD legal. You say that, but my FEO granted me a 22-250 knowing I had a little bit of C/F experience. I put in for a 222 and he said I should take a 22-250 as it's a better round They're nice sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 You say that, but my FEO granted me a 22-250 knowing I had a little bit of C/F experience. I put in for a 222 and he said I should take a 22-250 as it's a better round They're nice sometimes nice or possibly clueless, to most FEO's its all numbers and what they have been told by people as they do their job rather than having the first idea through using one. 22.250 is a cracking fox gun if you do a lot of fox control at night it is very good. Dekers is right with the .222 argument you only get one if you want a slightly less popular gun as there is no real benefit over the .223 in use and when you buy ammo it isn't as available and that is getting worse rather than better. Personally I went .223 and then got a variation for .243 for deer and will sell the .223 and just run the one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 nice or possibly clueless, to most FEO's its all numbers and what they have been told by people as they do their job rather than having the first idea through using one. 22.250 is a cracking fox gun if you do a lot of fox control at night it is very good. Dekers is right with the .222 argument you only get one if you want a slightly less popular gun as there is no real benefit over the .223 in use and when you buy ammo it isn't as available and that is getting worse rather than better. Personally I went .223 and then got a variation for .243 for deer and will sell the .223 and just run the one Wasn't/Isn't Greg T your FEO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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