rigwallet Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Went on walk and stand hare shoot on where i beat on saturday seen that many hares while beating thought we would have a birthday. Well what a let down only shot 30 hares cant understand it two years ago shot 126 hares and didnt see that many. Anyone else been on hare shoot ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 funnily enough we had a similar day on saturday, lots about during the season but we didn't see them, think the bag was about 200 which was half of one of the days last eyar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proTOM1 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Yes had our 2nd day we shot 228 this time round saw plenty and plenty got away untouched just 1 more day this sat coming to finish all the land well most of it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 We have so few hares here that I have banned shooting them, maybe 20 on over 1500 acres. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 We have the same problem in cheshire only seen two in 4 months and check with binos every day mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 We have the same problem in cheshire only seen two in 4 months and check with binos every day mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomV Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 funnily enough we had a similar day on saturday, lots about during the season but we didn't see them, think the bag was about 200 which was half of one of the days last eyar Thats a fair few hares in one day, on shoot days dont think I saw more than 10 in one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 We have so few hares here that I have banned shooting them, maybe 20 on over 1500 acres. A Switch to culling foxes and watch out for the signs of low-life poachers! :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Switch to culling foxes and watch out for the signs of low-life poachers! :yp: exactly, this ground apart from being very large has 4 full time keepers, all roadsides have been ditched and gated to keep the ****** out and they also do a full on night shift to keep a good look out for poachers. The result is the hares thrive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfinger Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 In some areas I would assume that the cold winter has took it's toll on numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 We have a very health population growing here - hopefully we will be able to pot a few in the next few years. I bet it's good shooting - never shot a hare day before, how does it work? Are they just walked up or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 You guys are funny, shoot 200 hares the year before and then blame poachers for the low numbers. As for shooting hares can there be anything less sporting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 You guys are funny, shoot 200 hares the year before and then blame poachers for the low numbers. As for shooting hares can there be anything less sporting? nope roughly 800 last year, and the year before that and erm the year before that and on and on. This year it may have been as we were slightly down on the number of guns so walking in the areas we walk wasn't as effective. The comment was actually saying the areas we shoot have more hares and thats because fox numbers are controlled hard as are ****** running dogs on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 nope roughly 800 last year, and the year before that and erm the year before that and on and on. This year it may have been as we were slightly down on the number of guns so walking in the areas we walk wasn't as effective. The comment was actually saying the areas we shoot have more hares and thats because fox numbers are controlled hard as are ****** running dogs on them. People running dogs on hares has little effect on the population. Foxes, grass cutting, spraying and hare drives do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 so how do you answer the fact that the last 10 years we've shot the same number off this 13K acres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 so how do you answer the fact that the last 10 years we've shot the same number off this 13K acres Because you can say anything you want on the internet, also depends on the land use. What did you do with the 800 hares, sell them to a game dealer, send them abroad or dump them in the ground? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 you are unbelievable, they go to a dealer and then out to the continent, they will take as many as we get. Its an old style sporting estate with a mix of grazing land arable and woodland and the simple fact is the Hares do cause damage here so this is necessary to keep the Tenant farmers happy, the fact is its well keepered with an abundance of hares so its a sustainable amount. If they were struggling the days would be stopped till they had recovered as happened a fair few years ago but the fact is they are doing very well. Some areas struggle but not round here but most of the land is used for shooting so foxes and scum get a hard time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 you are unbelievable, they go to a dealer and then out to the continent, they will take as many as we get. Its an old style sporting estate with a mix of grazing land arable and woodland and the simple fact is the Hares do cause damage here so this is necessary to keep the Tenant farmers happy, the fact is its well keepered with an abundance of hares so its a sustainable amount. If they were struggling the days would be stopped till they had recovered as happened a fair few years ago but the fact is they are doing very well. Some areas struggle but not round here but most of the land is used for shooting so foxes and scum get a hard time. What size of land are the shoots taking place because if you are shooting 800 year on year, you would need a resident population of at least 300 does if you think about survival rates. So that means over a thousand hares on the land by the end of the year, no wnoder your tenant farmers aren't happy. I wouldn't have thought they would have worried about poachers more about the hare population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) the entire estate is 13,000 acres and some of the drives have 30 beaters with another 20 or so standing guns. At a guess some drives take in 500 acres plus as it can be a mile or two to walk we certainly don't cover the entire ground just a fraction of it so having that size breeding population left isn't exactly hard. Its all about being in perspective, if we shot that many off 1000 acres that would be one thing but we don't as for poachers why should they be tolerated they are stealing and causing damage driving 4x4's straight across any field they get into Edited February 16, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 the entire estate is 13,000 acres and some of the drives have 30 beaters with another 20 or so standing guns. At a guess some drives take in 500 acres plus as it can be a mile or two to walk we certainly don't cover the entire ground just a fraction of it so having that size breeding population left isn't exactly hard. Its all about being in perspective, if we shot that many off 1000 acres that would be one thing but we don't as for poachers why should they be tolerated they are stealing and causing damage driving 4x4's straight across any field they get into You don't have problem with poachers I thought with the 24 surveillance. On that amount of land it certainly isn't an issue to have that sort of population. PM me your estate name and I will pop up for a days shooting on one of your pheasant or woodcock days, if you offer days for guns. I will refrain from a hare drive on moral grounds. That is if I am welcome.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 its sadly not my shoot to ask sadly, I beat on the estate next door and so we all get asked along to build up the numbers for Hare days. As for moral grounds that about sums things up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobidog Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I am not anti hare shooting atall. But i just thought wouldnt it be a good idea if on the land where there are enough hares to cull 200 couldnt they be caught and relocated to land where hares are much more rare instead of hte culls. like i said im not anti hare shooting, just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I am not anti hare shooting atall. But i just thought wouldnt it be a good idea if on the land where there are enough hares to cull 200 couldnt they be caught and relocated to land where hares are much more rare instead of hte culls. like i said im not anti hare shooting, just an idea. I don't think that would work. The reason there are no hares on land is likely that the land isn't suitable to hold them. They'll soon disappear or die if that's the case. Like al4x I've shot on local estates that can shoot hundreds of hares over the course of a season - year after year after year. These are keepered estates, managed for shooting and where the farmers are, in general, sympathetic to shooting. In a way they have to be - they are all tenants of the estates, or often in the shooting syndicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proTOM1 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I don't think that would work. The reason there are no hares on land is likely that the land isn't suitable to hold them. They'll soon disappear or die if that's the case. Like said it all dependes on the ground and how well its managed we have loads and have 3 shoots a year to thin a bit as the farms all grow sugar beet which they love plus the damage they do young trees . As for catching them and moving them there are many problems with trying this not at least the cost of running traps ,getting them checked holding them the list goes on and on and who is going to pick up the bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Two hares are supposed to eat as much as one ewe, at least that was the theory. It is many years since there were hare shoots in the eatern Borders where I live - 30 or 40 years ago they would account for hundreds of hares for which there was no market. Like many others In my first hare shoot I was proud of myself as one of the walking guns bowling over a couple or three early in the drive. Then across the line of Guns loped the grandaddy of all hares, three keepers missed it with both barrels before I once again bowled it over. Half an hour later over heather hill and bog I was less proud of my achievement having learned that he who shoots a hare must carry the blankety thing. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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