Tiff Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 ive found a gun im interested in buying but the choke is cyl and cyl,what does this mean?is it the same as 1/2 and 1/2? it has 26in barrels is this set up any good for pigeon and rough shooting, any help and advice gratefully received,thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Cylinder choke is the most open choke setting you can normally get. The Table is ; CYLINDER SKEET 1/4 I.C. 1/2 MOD 3/4 I.M. FULL EX FULL I would not purchase a gun for game and pigeons, with 26" barrels and fixed cylinder chokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I agree with Cranfield, that sounds like a dedicated skeet gun (presuming it is o/u), and not suitable. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I would not purchase a gun for game and pigeons, with 26" barrels and fixed cylinder chokes. This one could run for a bit I guess, whilst I agree it sure sounds like a skeet gun, but why not for woodies over deeks? as long as your not tempetd to take long pots it should knock them over with no probs, I know plenty of folk who only ever shoot with open chokes but understand their range limits. best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 .....but for rough shooting you tend to be shooting "going away"targets so a choke barrel is handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 i both agree and disagree. personally i like a bit of choke, its a good excuse for the clays. however, an open choke will not effect the energy carried in teh shot, simply the concentration of the shot, so if you keep the range sensible and actually center the pattern on the bird i dont see a problem with using this choke in the field. my old man runs cyl/cyl on his miroku and keeps up with me on the clays and i havent noticed him being disadvantaged in the field, or having any more or less runners than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I would not purchase a gun for game and pigeons, with 26" barrels and fixed cylinder chokes. This one could run for a bit I guess, whilst I agree it sure sounds like a skeet gun, but why not for woodies over deeks? as long as your not tempetd to take long pots it should knock them over with no probs, I know plenty of folk who only ever shoot with open chokes but understand their range limits. best of luck I wouldn't purchase such a gun, as I believe it would be too limiting for the range of shots I expect to be taking when pigeon, or game, shooting. If I was only ever going to shoot pigeons over decoys, then I would have 1/4, or 1/2 chokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 ive found a gun im interested in buying but the choke is cyl and cyl,what does this mean?is it the same as 1/2 and 1/2? it has 26in barrels is this set up any good for pigeon and rough shooting,any help and advice gratefully received,thanks Tiff Q what is the gun, is there an alternative, as Nick i both agree and disagree, its to easy to take the longer shot thinking your prowess will sufice, the bird will only suffer,,,,, not on my friend, have a look around and see im sure there is another gun with choke or interchangable tubes, take your time in picking the right gun, I as im sure others will apreciate your patience and maturity in doing so. good luck and let us know the outcome . Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff Posted March 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Thanks for all the info and advice,i think i will try and get either a multi choke or 1/2 and 1/4 just so its a bit more versitlie as i wont be just decoying. thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 I bought a M/C with 3/4 and 1/2 as the only chokes that came with it and it's fine for clays Should be fine for Pigeon too but if i were you i would buy a M/C with at least full choke 3/4 choke and 1/2 choke there was a Rizini on the gundeals website i beleive for 200 quid with 4 chokes and gun slip if it's still there you MAY want a look or try www.guntrader.co.uk Zeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Just to be nice and controversial I am going to disagree. If cylinder choked guns are so bad, then in the good old days how did they manage to hit anything? Have a look at some of the shoot records of the old time shoots and some of their feats were extraordinary - and they were done with good old cylinder choked guns, with no choke at all. OK, if you have the dosh, then go for a gun with a multi-choked facility. It does give some versatility, especially when clay busting. PLUS, the very, very useful advantage that one can explain a miss by saying that if only I had the 'correct' chokes in the gun then I would not have missed. I use this excuse all the time, even now. If you an experienced shot, then yes, a heavier choke can be an advantage. BUT, if you are a newcomer then the worst thing that you can have is a gun with a lot of choke. My first shotgun was an excelent Baikal with three quarters and full choke. An absolute pain in the *** it was, as I missed a lot of shots that I would have got with an open choke. When you are a beginner you need success to spurn you on, and an open choke will help you at sensible ranges. So, if you can afford it I would say get a gun with multi chokes. Use the open chokes to start with, and then use tighter chokes as your experience improves. If you don't have the dosh, then a fixed open choked gun will teach you to shoot at sensible ranges, and the chances of success will be high. Now, on the subject of what shot size to use we can have another happy argument..... For what it's worth, I have a Miroku s/s choked a slack quarter and half for game shooting, and a Beretta s/auto with multichokes for pigeon bashing etc. I also regularly use my percussion 20/10/6 bores for clay pigeons, and it is surprising how many clays I can hit - and these have no chokes. Now, if only my percussion guns had multi chokes I would have better excuses to explain my misses! Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 If cylinder choked guns are so bad, then in the good old days how did they manage to hit anything? Because they used black powder which wasn’t as fast and therefore didn’t blow the shot pattern to bits. As for a 26 inch O/U with no choke in it…….I would have a look at the end of the barrels and measure how much solid rib you have back from the muzzle. If it’s only @ 1 inch then I would suspect that the barrels had been cut down thus removing all the choke. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 there were, and still are, many 26" barreled O/U's cylinder for skeet, it was, for the longest time, the gun of choice, many now shoot 28" plus lengths, 30 and 32 are not uncommon on a skeet field, i use both with great sucsess, its all down to the shooter. as to the post i firmly beleive a gun with options is better than one without , only time and practice will allow a shooter to make a more experienced judgement themselves, the resale value is also a consideration with a multi choke gun. as before just my opinion good luck Tiff i hope you enjoy the choice you make. Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretmanabu Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I understand the comments about the chokes but regarding the barrel lenght, isnt 26" and ideal lenght for hide gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 its what ever your happy with. A short gun might be the best in theory from the size point of view, however if you shoot better with a longer gun, then that is the best option for you. personally i use what ever i am happy with, barrel length etc.. dosent bother me much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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