Olympiics 2012

[HDAV]

Yes, it's cost a small fortune. I have some contacts on the inside who know the true costs of this fiasco, it's a scandal, I kid you not.

 

Cat.

Madness............. Whats the likelyhood of there being an issue like the skeet houses the wrong height etc?

[poontang]

Nah..........******* Students wrong again, Poontang's within 5% of the final figure, a truly National scandal, if ever there was one.

 

Cat.

 

You really couldn't make it up!!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/london2012/6201911/London-2012-Olympics-Woolwich-Barracks-to-be-obscured-by-60ft-barrier.html

[HDAV]

Nuts..... and why are 3 less tonnes of of shot going to be fired compared to Beijing? Next they'll be insisting on subsonics to keep the nighbours happy!

 

Seems its all the fault of the IOC though..

 

British Shooting, the umbrella organisation for Britain's shooting governing bodies, is strongly opposed to Woolwich as the shooting venue for 2012 and has campaigned for it to be switched to the sport's existing headquarters in Bisley, Surrey, to create a permanent legacy. Woolwich will be an entirely temporary venue, despite costing an estimated £42 million.

Bisley was the original choice of the London 2012 bid team but the International Olympic Committee wanted the shooting venue to be closer to the Olympic village in Stratford, East London, to create a more compact Games.

[Dave 101]

I would hope that any serious shooter wouldnt support the olympics ! why should we , we have been shafted the government of any colour is opposed to shooting , so why support it ?

 

Dave

[Tonic]

Yes, that's the $10million dollar question, only "Lord" Coe can answer that one..

 

The cyclists have a lovely new Velodrome, the Swimmers some great new pools, we get Didly Squat, how fair is that..??

 

Cat.

 

 

Hey folks. I was living in Woolwich a couple of years back when they had the public consultations. I asked as few questions, and had a hard time working out if the people answering really believed the bull they were coming up with.

 

My main question was the legacy. "We will probably share out equipment around the UK"... which probably means somewhere will get a few new benches in a couple of years. When asked about Bisley/Dartford the reply was "and how do you propose we get the athletes all the way there? Dartford is the other side of the river." hmmmm, appart from it being the same side as Woolwich, when there is trafic on the roads it is a hell of a lot quicker to get to Dartford from Stratford.

 

You'd never get permission to build a shooting venue in a built up area anywhere else. In this case it may be a shame more (non-shooting)locals didnt think it was a bad idea too.

 

Archery and Equestrian events dont get much out of it either.

[Gordon R]

Blaser F3 - Mike - I had forgotten that little gem about Sebastien Coe. :)

 

PS - just bought a Blaser.

[Chris Bb]

Yes, my thoughts entirely, but I didn't want to upset the 99.9% of die hard Tories on this forum who think the sun shines out of his rear end.

Cat, I'm a die hard Tory but agree with you 100% on this one, the man's a fool.

 

"and how do you propose we get the athletes all the way there? Dartford is the other side of the river." hmmmm, appart from it being the same side as Woolwich, when there is trafic on the roads it is a hell of a lot quicker to get to Dartford from Stratford.

And the yachting events are being held in Portland! Apart from the fact that there are only dirt tracks connecting Portland to London which should amuse the civilised world, surely they could have used the Thames and/or Royal docks (now totally empty) in some way if they wanted to keep everything local.

 

Archery and Equestrian events dont get much out of it either.

Because, like shooting, they're seen as "elitist".

 

 

The 2012 Olympics, arguably the worst thing to happen to UK this century. Oh, how the French must be laughing.

[HDAV]

Dressage is in a park! and £275 each for the top tickets to watch some prance a horse to music? Shooting event tickets are £20-£40!

[Diceman]

Hmm........more chance of seeing a flock of pigs airborne over Drayton Parslow..??

 

Cat.

 

I thought I did once see a flying pig over Drayton Parslow...it was the last time a Cat shot the strawbaler there...heard he downed it with a plastic wad cartridge and got banned

[Catamong]

I thought I did once see a flying pig over Drayton Parslow...it was the last time a Cat shot the strawbaler there...heard he downed it with a plastic wad cartridge and got banned

 

Well, I gave the flock both barrels but they kept on flying, damn fibre wads, wouldn't have happened with a Plaswad shell, I'd have been living off Pork Scratchings for a year or more.

 

Hope to see you again soon at the Charity shoot as it's just down the road from you, you can also pay me back those 50 shells you "borrowed" from me at Hornet a while back..?

 

Cat.

[Diceman]

Sorry Cat, think you have the wrong chap, we have only met once and that was only in passing at Sywell quite a few years ago. You can send me 50 shells if it makes you feel better though

Would love to make the charity shoot and get some lessons off you, but unfortunately I have other more pressing responsibilites that day. Maybe next year.

[fruitloop]

to say we av all payed for these games yet only london is going to benerfit from it :blink: the mp,s only think the uk is inside the m25 outside that is another country except when thay want something

Edited April 22, 2011 by fruitloop

[poontang]

to say we av all payed for these games yet only london is going to benerfit from it :blink: the mp,s only think the uk is inside the m25 outside that is another country except when thay want something

 

Not strictly true.

 

Londoners are having to pay a direct precept in their council tax bills to help pay for the olympics.

 

Of the estimated £9bn bill, £6bn comes from central govt. £2bn is lottery funding, and £1bn is from Londoners.

[Mr Potter]

The whole business of where the shooting venue should be located for the London Olympics and the legacy it isn't going to leave has been done to death in the shooting press. There are not many sentiments that have been expressed on this thread that I wouldn't disagree with except whether Diceman owes Cat 50 cartridges and on that one I genuinely don't know :unsure: :unsure:

 

Personally I doubt whether I would go and watch any form of clay shooting even if it was free and on my doorstep. Clay shooting is a participant sport not a spectator sport and to be brutally fair the Olympic shooting disciples are not even popular among clay shooters.

The numbers who compete in Double Trap, OT and OSK domestically must be a tiny minority of the 25,000? (is it 25 or 20 thousand?) CPSA members, I bet that for each disciple there will not be many more than a couple of hundred, if that of competitors. These disciplines are very very difficult, people who shoot them are serious competitors, these aren't the guys who will nip down to their local ground on a Sunday, knock out 50 DT with their mates and be in the pub by 12:30. Annually they probably spend more on travel than the average CPSA shooters total spends on his or her shooting.

 

So we have a section of a minority sport that is not even popular within that sport, is not spectator friendly, definitely not television friendly, in a place that the CPSA membership doesn't want where it is unlikely the local residents are over the moon about.

 

Then to cap it all when it's actually on, Pigeon Watch will be overwhelmed with posts complaining about the biased BBC's lack of television coverage (which will only be marginally better if a Brit wins a medal ) The truth probably is that if the Beeb broadcast every single minute of the shooting events we'd all switch over within 10 minutes and Joe Public within 2 minutes. Better saving our powder for the next "important" fight which will occur the next time a madman armed with a firearm goes berserk, when that happens and happen it will, all the gold medals in the world won't stop the ignorant and small minded from attempting to ban us.

 

Rant over

 

Mr Potter

[Gordon R]

A fine post - Mr Potter.

[webber]

There's been some excelent points made on this thread.

There can be no doubt that shooting sports have been dealt a very vindictive political blow.

Had Bisley been utilised, the place would have been spruced up, and a positive legacy remained.

Legacy, part of the olympic ethos? ********!

How do the powers that be justify spending 10s of millions on a venue to be bulldozed, on the grounds of spectator access, when sports such as sailing and canoeing are at venues no where near London, so how spectator friendly is that, yet a legacy will remain to the benefit of those sports.

 

I'm sorry but I do feel that the shooting organisations responsible for negotiating with the olymic bods did a very poor job in my opinion.

I will not be going anywhere near any olympic event, they can stick it where the shooting venue will end up, and thats on a dump.

To try and pass off some scraps of equipment as legacy simply underlines the contempt that British shooting sports have been shown.

 

webber

[HDAV]

+1 Mr Potter, +1 Mr Webber

 

Just seems a shame and a waste that's all. If it was more TV friendly would that help?

[Salopian]

I have to agree wholeheartedly with Mr Potter.

If we had any backbone we would boycott The Olympics completely, in fact how about holding demonstrations protesting at the Governments & the CPSA and the other National shooting bodies who will all line up smiley faced with their smart new blazers running the shooting events for the Olympic Committee.

WE protested very early on when Woolwich was announced, but the IOC and Coe refused to listen.

The only way we could get anything out of this fiasco would be to embarrass the Organisation into providing shooting with a legacy as dictated by the Olympic ethos & ideals laid down by Baron De Coubaton & William Penny Brookes at the founding of the Modern Olympic movement.

Have the CPSA or BICTSF mentioned this? I'll bet they haven't because most of our representatives know nothing about our sport that they so eagerly got involved with to better themselves rather than the sport.

If anyone would like to debate or argue this, I am well up for it.

Because as you can tell I am bloody furious at over 40million pounds being wasted on Olympic clayshooting, when one of our Olympic hopefuls' father is refused planning permission to provide his daughter with proper training facilities at his own expense. WHICH WOULD HAVE BENEFITTED OTHER SHOOTERS AFTER THE OLYMPICS.

[Mickthemiller]

I would hope that any serious shooter wouldnt support the olympics ! why should we , we have been shafted the government of any colour is opposed to shooting , so why support it ?

 

Dave

 

I think that is exactly what Coe is hoping for then the anti shooting brigade can point to the poor turn out at the olympic games as an excuse for little or no funding for the sport.

MicktheMiller

[Tonic]

I think that is exactly what Coe is hoping for then the anti shooting brigade can point to the poor turn out at the olympic games as an excuse for little or no funding for the sport.

MicktheMiller

 

At work atm, so cant back up this comment with research. BUT - wasnt funding for olympic hopefuls lowered in shooting a while back because the sport doesnt produce enough medals?

[Tonic]

Just done a bit of googling on the sly. To back up what I said above, here is something to click. In short, they were allocating funds depending on how well we performed in Athens, in the run-up to Beijing. Therefore you can pretty much ignore what I said above... old news.

 

 

However, I also saw this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/london2012/6968676/London-2012-British-Shooting-facing-400000-Olympic-legacy-bill.html

 

If anyone has a spare 400 grand, we might get a legacy after all. On the other hand, provide me with a field, a few traps and a log cabbin and I'll get a few mates together and we'll build you a new legacy for a few beers!

[Salopian]

Just a thought.

If the ballistic screens are only 81% efficient? What happens to the 19% chance of an injury and how does this settle with the Safety Officer and his risk assessment and the opinion of the H&S Department?

Does this mean that everyone who has done the CPSA Safety Officers Course is entitled to full re-imbursement of their fees due to being taught incorrect information?

What are the repercussions likely to be if anyone is injured? Does Boris Johnson know what's going on in his domain?

[HDAV]

I think the point was that because the screen was only 81% effected they will have to close a playground for the duration of the games?

[Greg_D]

i'm new to the furore about the shooting, but wholeheartedly agree with everything said above.

 

As already mentioned, the equestrian events are going to be an absolute joke, they are creating a whole new 3 day eventing course in some bloody park or another in london at great expense when the uk is the undisputed epicentre of horse trials in the world, with literally dozens of suitable venues within an hour or 2 of greenwich park. to add to that, it is going to cost practically every competitor £200 to get their lorry into the capital because of the new eco tax they have in london for lorries. Where is the spectacle in watching horses gallop over portable fences in a park when they could do it in some of the fantastic country homes that are existing venues, which would reflect better on the UK to a worldwide audience!!!

 

We feel your pain,

 

Bonkers