plexer Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I have some 12b cartridges that were loaded by a local gunsmith that have just been given to me and I'd like to make a display of some what's the best way to empty them and make them safe? Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Fire them through a suitable Shotgun Tam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Yeah but then I can't recrimp them, wondering if I could prise up the crimp empty it and then reform the crimp easier. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I believe that you soak them in WD 40 or something similar and it makes the cartridges completely inert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 If it's anything like firearms cartridges, it's actually illegal to disassemble them. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I believe that you soak them in WD 40 or something similar and it makes the cartridges completely inert? Oil is not an effective way of permanantly disabling them. I have tried to re-crimp fired and unfired cartridges before, and you will never get it to look new/unfired again. And as said above, its illiegle to open them in any way. Shoot them, clean them up properly, and then use dowel the correct diameter of the internat crimp on the top of the cartridge. Also put on strip cut to size on the inside of the cartridge and push the crimp back to shape. the dowel inside the cartridge should stop the crimp going out of shape as you push it into place from the top. If in doubt, dont risk it, shoot them and leave them fired. Its just as difficult to re-crimp a fired cartridge as the previously un-fired cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 you could fire them and then send the empties to one of the pigeon watch guys that loads their own and they could re crimp them for you , i no longer have my hushpower and loading gear but i'm sure one of the kind pw gents would do it for you if you asked nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 If it's anything like firearms cartridges, it's actually illegal to disassemble them. Dave Are you sure? Kinetic Hammers made specifically for dismantling centrefire ammo are readily available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 if taking apart ammo is illegal then lots of people break the law. As said, kinetic bullet pullers are for sale, if it was illegal i would have thought this product would have been removed from production or at least sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Taken from the BASC site- http://basc.dotadmin.com/media/basc_final_response.pdf 5.4 OTHER MATTERS Dismantling ammunition by hand-loaders. 5.4.1 Under the provisions of the Explosives Act 1875, it is illegal to dismantle ammunition other than in a licensed factory; this excludes domestic premises. This archaic piece of legislation affects hand loaders of ammunition who often unload cartridges which are unsatisfactory to recover components for reuse. The practice is widespread and is based on safety considerations. 5.4.2 Some dealers also unload ammunition to deactivate it so that it can be sold to non-certificate holders, e.g. collectors, militaria enthusiasts or re-enactors. This is a legitimate activity but is unlawful because of the 1875 Act. 5.4.3 Section 105 of the 1875 Act has now become disreputable because it is widely ignored and as far as BASC is aware no prosecutions have been mounted against those hand loaders who dismantle ammunition in domestic premises. It is unlikely that any proposed prosecution would satisfy the public interest test unless the dismantling of ammunition had been undertaken for nefarious purposes or had aggravated another offence. 5.4.4 The FCC recommended that s.105 of the 1875 Act should be amended so as to allow the dismantling of ammunition by certificate holders24. 5.4.5 BASC supports this recommendation and regrets that 12 years on, it has not been taken forwards. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Taken from the BASC site-http://basc.dotadmin.com/media/basc_final_response.pdf 5.4 OTHER MATTERS Dismantling ammunition by hand-loaders. 5.4.1 Under the provisions of the Explosives Act 1875, it is illegal to dismantle ammunition other than in a licensed factory; this excludes domestic premises. This archaic piece of legislation affects hand loaders of ammunition who often unload cartridges which are unsatisfactory to recover components for reuse. The practice is widespread and is based on safety considerations. 5.4.2 Some dealers also unload ammunition to deactivate it so that it can be sold to non-certificate holders, e.g. collectors, militaria enthusiasts or re-enactors. This is a legitimate activity but is unlawful because of the 1875 Act. 5.4.3 Section 105 of the 1875 Act has now become disreputable because it is widely ignored and as far as BASC is aware no prosecutions have been mounted against those hand loaders who dismantle ammunition in domestic premises. It is unlikely that any proposed prosecution would satisfy the public interest test unless the dismantling of ammunition had been undertaken for nefarious purposes or had aggravated another offence. 5.4.4 The FCC recommended that s.105 of the 1875 Act should be amended so as to allow the dismantling of ammunition by certificate holders24. 5.4.5 BASC supports this recommendation and regrets that 12 years on, it has not been taken forwards. G.M. Well blast me, he say together (well known Norfolk phrase)! :thumbs: You learn something new everyday. Nice to know the cretins that govern us are only 131 years behind the times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 If it's anything like firearms cartridges, it's actually illegal to disassemble them. Dave knows his stuff does MR.K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) If it's anything like firearms cartridges, it's actually illegal to disassemble them. Dave knows his stuff does MR.K and so does MRS.K. come to that. Edited March 26, 2006 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) You could ... your a brave man if you do or just thick :thumbs: Edited March 26, 2006 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) You could... whatever you do , don't do that , you'll end up seriously injured or dead Edited March 26, 2006 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I have a nice display of various cartridges, purchased at a game fair some years ago. I have just checked and the cartridges appear to be unfired. There is a sticker on the back of the display which states "all rounds contained on this display are inert, and have been fitted with fired or oiled primers" None of the primers show any firing pin damage, so I presume that they have been oiled. The company that produced the board www.cartridgedisplays.com may be able to offer you some guidance. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Well I have a set of rifle rifle rounds i bought from a museum and to all intents a purposes look exactly like missfires, especially now they are out of their packet. The only idea that they are inert is that the 5.56 rattles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) 5.4.1 Under the provisions of the Explosives Act 1875, it is illegal to dismantleammunition other than in a licensed factory; this excludes domestic premises. This excludes domestic premises so would that mean in a domestic premise that it's ok to do it? Ben Edited March 26, 2006 by plexer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Unless you know what you are talking about as regards de-activation of cartridges then I suggest you do not post after this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Well that was why I was asking peoples opinion I have too much respect for a loaded cartridge to do anything unsafe with it such as pry out the primer. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Well I have a set of rifle rifle rounds i bought from a museum and to all intents a purposes look exactly like missfires, especially now they are out of their packet.The only idea that they are inert is that the 5.56 rattles! these are almost always once fired brass which has a cheap bullet stuck in the end and is then sold back to the public at a stupid price. I have a .50 cal 'dummy' round which has been fired then had a bullet seated in it (without any contents) and it rattles, my beleif is that this is part of the primer, possibly the anvil (although i cant think of a way this would get into the main chambre of a cartridge) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Chaps The origional question was about shotgun cartridges, still not to be messed with. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Are they RTO or crimped and are they Plas or paper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERETTA687 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 as stated on the forum a while back, if u set the cartriges in oil, the oil is absorbed up the primer and the cartridge is made inert, it was posted here a while back, some one who collects cartridges does this. look back on previous topics , it is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 They are plastic crimped. I have a lee crimp starting die maybe that will help along with a dowel inside them? Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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