coupe312 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Sunday morning i was shooting as a favour for a local uni which i used to attend. the aim was to remove 2 magpies with a sub 12ftlb air rife. i had the area cordend of safley... well extra safe by uni security. day was going well to plan 1 down one to go. it kept showing up making its noise but no suitable shot could be made. then some sow ( scared of water) started making the noise and hurling stuff in my genral direction and at my car. :< i was very angry. so i left my gun in the room i was in, yaled the door and ran down.( left the gun up there did not want to be accused of threats with a fire arm) i was met my 4 sows which shouted at hurd abuse at me. security came but did **** all to help me. one throw a few golf balls at me via what i think was a ground bait catupult. ( well hurts, massive bruse on my ribs) i not proud of this but but i'm telling a whole story so i had no option in my eyes( at the time) but to defend myself. push came to shove and thing when bad. :thumbs: anyway long story short i have to go to the police station to give a statment he is clameing i hit him for no reason even though its all on CCTV. should i get a quote for my car fixing and clame for damages to my car? i'm sorry if this refect badly on me an dthe sport, but i'm not willing for people to abuse me just because of what i belive is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Get photos of the damage to your car and your ribs. Tell the police you want to press charges for assault and vandalism, and that you were acting in self-defence when you hit him (if you did). And, yes, might be worth getting a quote for the car. If it's not too large a sum then you could go to a small claims court. Do you have any witnesses? Can you get a copy of the CCTV tape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ratcatcher Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 i really dont know how you kept your cool, but thank god you did, i wouldnt have kept mine, would of ended up kicking **** out of them, but good for you for not retaliating and doing the wright thing. happened to me a while back whilst at fishing, about 20 school kids aged around 16 came up to us and started throwing things at me and two of my m8s. so we just got up and walked upto them, they soon walked the other way to the bus stop to go home, now we went upto them and they **** there pants. we asked them nicely *** are you doing, they all started blaming each other, ie he through it not me, so this little **** come upto me and said i through it what you gonna do, just lost my temper and droped him on hes ****, they all pooped there selves and went back to the school and rang the police, the police turned up and asked who hit the ****, i said me, they said ok took my name down, the other lads names down and of they went, this was last summer and havent heared nothing yet. but i do know something, he wont be starting on a fisherman again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe312 Posted March 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 yes got cctv burnt to dvd. got a quote 1900 quid (but thats audi for you). will see what happens when i give a statement. this is the second time i have had something like this happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 (edited) Did you go to your doctors? Go get a medical report if possible and make sure the doctor files your injuries etc Well done on the CCTV also BUT has it got Time and Date stamped on it as if NOT it is inadmissible in court Were the security guards there when you were attacked? If so they have to testify if it goes to court or it can lead to a charge on THEM of with holding evidence. Are the CCTV pics clear enough to make out the perps faces? As long as you only struck them AFTER you were struck yourself you can claim self defence as you were outnumbered and feared for your well being I would see this through the courts to the bitter end myself. LG Edited March 27, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lizard Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Hi m8, sorry to hear about your troubles. I agree with everything LG has said. My main advice is : WRITE DOWN AN ACCOUNT OF EVERYTHING WHILE IT'S STILL FRESH IN YOUR MIND. And, IF you are a member/associate member of NFU, you get free legal advice. Also contact your local BASC area rep. They will be able to give you some good advice. Also Don't forget - The Security Guards at the Uni had a "Duty of Care" to ensure your safety and security. If they failed in that duty, THEY are liable for damages / compensation to you. Good Luck and keep us posted. B wishes, the Lizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 A bit of a tough one there. The trouble with these uni places is that there is a percentage of soap dodgers with their twisted sixth form political views that don't face upto real life. A breeding ground for antis. If you have witnesses get them to speak up now while it is all still fresh. Good luck anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe312 Posted March 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 my major advantage is yes cctv is date and time, i am part of the SIA and teach conflict managment and it leaves me heavly insured. bad news for the sow's i run the door team for the student union bar so they all get barred... so no cheap beer for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younggun86 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 ''A bit of a tough one there. The trouble with these uni places is that there is a percentage of soap dodgers with their twisted sixth form political views that don't face upto real life. A breeding ground for antis. If you have witnesses get them to speak up now while it is all still fresh.'' hay we are all bad! i know a number of people at my uni which are pro countryside sports! i have also been very impressed with the amount of understanding and exceptance my fellow students have given to me! iv found people to be very understanding when you properly inform them of what you do or are doing! as unis are busy places may it of been not the best time you were conducting the cull! possible an early morning? on way to uni just 5 mins ago i saw 5 or 6 magpies myself so i understand the need to kill those horrid birds what those idiots did to you was wrong and you should go down the correct channels, but please dont be to keen to judge students, because that is just what the antis are doing to us! pre- judgeing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nildes Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 One of the points you need to emerge is that they came ready equipped to provoke confrontation and violence. If you can find any footage of them throwing golf balls, bashing your car with something or using a catapault then you have a much stronger case since this will help to show that they conspired to create a situation with a reckless disregard for the consequences. By the same token, the fact that you left your rifle locked safely in the room and went to remonstrate with them empty handed shows that you were expecting to reason with them and that violence wasn't your first resort. Sorry about the big words, you solicitor might find them handy Don't hang about, get onto the BASC and get some proper advice. Even a police caution on this could impede you getting a FAC at a future point. AIMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksaplenty Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Contact the uni - they normally have their own disciplinary procedure. Behaviour like that might just get them kicked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Loutish behaviour like that shouldn't end with just a campus eviction!!! They need to see the inside of a cell IMHO It ammounts to Aggrivated assault and criminal damage and should be dealt with in the strictest manner possible :< They are nothing more than common louts LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Coupe312. Whatever you do, you must make a counter allegation (if you hav'nt already) against these idiots to the Police. Get photographs of your injuries and damage caused etc. names etc of witnesses +cctv. If the Campus has its own designated policeman, speak with him. I am sure you were "IN FEAR OF BEING INJURED" and that was the reason you "DEFENDED YOURSELF" The next step is to get hold of whoever is the security manager and remonstrate with him. If you had legal permission to carry out the CULL, which it appears you did, then his staff should not have let it get that far out of hand. I work in a simlar role and if things are run the same at that Uni then these people have more to worry about than a court appearance. Regards Sutty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewyjack.22 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Good luck with it coupe, hope it all works out well for you. Keep us informed colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 sue their *****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 hay we are all bad! i know a number of people at my uni which are pro countryside sports! what those idiots did to you was wrong and you should go down the correct channels, but please dont be to keen to judge students, because that is just what the antis are doing to us! pre- judgeing Wasn't judging ALL students and I apologise if offence was caused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Loutish behaviour like that shouldn't end with just a campus eviction!!! They need to see the inside of a cell IMHO It ammounts to Aggrivated assault and criminal damage and should be dealt with in the strictest manner possible :< They are nothing more than common louts LG all this is true. if you had injured one of them with your air rifle you would be feeling the full weight of the law. take them to court,and make them feel the full force of the law. and maybe next time them and others like them will think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Get photos of the damage to your car and your ribs. Tell the police you want to press charges for assault and vandalism, and that you were acting in self-defence when you hit him (if you did). And, yes, might be worth getting a quote for the car. If it's not too large a sum then you could go to a small claims court. Do you have any witnesses? Can you get a copy of the CCTV tape? Under the freedom of information act you're entitled to any recordings, IT information and paper based information held on you by the police. (I read this on a Centrex E-Learning demo I was checking out at work today) I'd assume the same would apply to CCTV and data from anywhere but in any case, if you press charges the police would get it as a matter of course. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wol the hunter Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 what about the other maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe312 Posted March 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 ''A bit of a tough one there. The trouble with these uni places is that there is a percentage of soap dodgers with their twisted sixth form political views that don't face upto real life. A breeding ground for antis.If you have witnesses get them to speak up now while it is all still fresh.'' hay we are all bad! i know a number of people at my uni which are pro countryside sports! i have also been very impressed with the amount of understanding and exceptance my fellow students have given to me! iv found people to be very understanding when you properly inform them of what you do or are doing! as unis are busy places may it of been not the best time you were conducting the cull! possible an early morning? on way to uni just 5 mins ago i saw 5 or 6 magpies myself so i understand the need to kill those horrid birds what those idiots did to you was wrong and you should go down the correct channels, but please dont be to keen to judge students, because that is just what the antis are doing to us! pre- judgeing i'm not pre judging and student as i was one for 5 years. have a BSc and masters the are was so tightly cordend off it was very safe indeed it was basically a court yard area with the only access bloked so know one could make a mistake and walk in. it was well sighed with plenty of warns to keep of the barried areas. i am keen on h+S. don't worry you not all classed as SOW's in my eye :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargeant Bang Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 my major advantage is yes cctv is date and time, i am part of the SIA and teach conflict managment and it leaves me heavly insured. bad news for the sow's i run the door team for the student union bar so they all get barred... so no cheap beer for them :thumbs: :blink: That'll be the worst punishment for them... pub prices! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe312 Posted March 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Well all is good i have no case to ansewer. i was attacked unprovoced, i can claim damages. well insurance company are( there sound well determined). His came of damages to person and loss or earnings and a GBH is not ansewrable as it deamed as resonble force,and in relms of self defence.( he's a student anyway) police said i was calm and well manner even after sevral blows and tried talking too them... wounders of CCTV so long and short he has to pay for my car, he has to walk round with a broken nose and fractured cheek bone.( only hit him once). and i can claim for asult if i wish. just waiting for this in writing and the law man to get back to me coupe 1 antis -1700 quid :thumbs: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Well all is good i have no case to ansewer. i was attacked unprovoced, i can claim damages. well insurance company are( there sound well determined). His came of damages to person and loss or earnings and a GBH is not ansewrable as it deamed as resonble force,and in relms of self defence.( he's a student anyway) police said i was calm and well manner even after sevral blows and tried talking too them... wounders of CCTV so long and short he has to pay for my car, he has to walk round with a broken nose and fractured cheek bone.( only hit him once). and i can claim for asult if i wish. just waiting for this in writing and the law man to get back to me coupe 1 antis -1700 quid :thumbs: :blink: Well done screw the plonker for all you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I think your restraint in the circumstances is a lesson to us all. Because of it, you have come out on top. :thumbs: I would try to extract every piece of justice from this incident that is possible. This is the only way to teach these people right from wrong. Hit them in their pocket and their social standing. He may be surprised how many things it is difficult (or expensive) to get, with a criminal record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hit them in their pocket and their social standing. But they have no social standing and ponce off the state so it will probably be paid at £1 a week for the next 100 years. :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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