Canis Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 So a gap is ok in their mind is it? If you're getting rust coloured oil out then that means that something somewhere is rusting. Oil with powder residue will be pulled into the joint where you cannot clean it and the gun will be getting eaten away from the inside (slowly, but that's hardly the point). That's not something I'd be happy with from a thousand pound plus shotgun. My Baikal doesn't do it?! :o So what they are saying is that a brazed monobloc joint with a cavity in it is perfectly acceptable ? It may have passed a Proof test on leaving the factory but if air/water/corosive powder residue can get in at the joint, sooner or later corosion is likely to be a problem. Have Beretta had the silver pig 1 made for them in turkey or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 water will be condensation if anything it won't be contamination from in the chamber, if there was a gap water could get through so would high pressure gasses during the shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I would take it back to where you bought it from...and ask for a replacement or your money back. The only gun which I had a problem with the same symptoms as yours was a 682, never any other make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney86 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thanks for reporting back, it is good to know. If the guy from GMK says they stick them back on the shelf, then they must be pretty confident! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 The only gun which I had a problem with the same symptoms as yours was a 682, never any other make. He said the 682 was made in exactly the same way as mine. Will call in at Gilsan when next in the area and let them have a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 So what they are saying is that a brazed monobloc joint with a cavity in it is perfectly acceptable ? Yes, apparently due to the manufacturing process it is not possible to have the seal 100% closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I am sorry , but I could not except that explantion from the distributor . No matter what they say this should not be happening . I would want my money back or an exchange gun . You might let a proper gunsmith have a look at just for a second opinion . How can they tell you that this problem is normal ,when in fact it is not . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I would want an other gun just looked at my Beretta's and none of the barrels have any gaps, they are original 682s not modern rubbish ones and therefore probable better built. But I would not be happy with that even on a budget gun, let alone from a top maker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I would want an other gun just looked at my Beretta's and none of the barrels have any gaps, they are original 682s not modern rubbish ones and therefore probable better built. But I would not be happy with that even on a budget gun, let alone from a top maker. Mine was one of the original silver action 682's, not a modern one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 mmmmmmmmmmmmm looks like ill stick with the hatsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Mine was one of the original silver action 682's, not a modern one. Have 3 barrels for my 2 and none have a problem sell you an UnSingle if you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 It was over 20 years ago. I used to use WD40 to clean the bores and I noticed that it was weeping from where the monobloc was. I plugged the breech ends and filled the tubes with penetrating oil, up to the forcing cone. The top barrel was OK, the bottom one leaked, why not try yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 I'll given ago today but there is definitely no visible gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 I would not trust a verbal conversation or GMK. I had a lanber 20 bore and the chrome lining on the inside of the action was peeling off, you could scratch it off with your finger nail. They claimed that was normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage 100 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 This is from where I mean. Unfortunately the oil has wiped off whilst in the bag. But this is the seam I am pointing to. I have watched this thread with interest. Many of the postings have been correct in part, but this is my opinion. The method employed by Beretta and many others of forming their barrels on a monoblock system is a fully proven method of creating barrels. As it sleeving, which is a process which has been employed in the guntrade for numerous years. The process of sliding two tubes into a monoblock chamber is exceptionally strong and meets the requirement of proof houses around the world. Our blackers often experience minimal leakage from the monoblock when re-blacking barrels. However, from the looks of your Beretta it is a very new model and you are obviously quite meticulous with the way you keep it. Should you as a client be expected to have a product which I deem has failed? I do not accept that all Berettas leak from the monoblock, I know they do not. While I accept that this is more of a cosmetic issue than a safety one, I feel you should exercise your rights and return to the dealer and allow them to deal with GMK. Let me assure you if you were a client of mine and your gun would be at GMK's now, they would find it very difficult to get me to accept their version of normal. I think you are being frightfully British here and rolling over! You have spent a lot of money to purchase a quality gun - don't roll over. Regards Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Sage, thank you for your comments. I do value all input from all members, but I am aware you are very much respected on here and you know your guns. I am passing the dealer I bought it from next Saturday, so I will be taking the gun to them and asking them to address it. I have one further question, should I be returning the complete gun to them or just the barrels? I have to admit I am very disappointed with this particular gun. I bought Beretta as it is a quality brand. But I guess I went for a budget version and as a result got budget quality.. Maybe once it's back I'll sell it and replace with a better quality version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) Yes , return the whole gun in case they want to send it off to replace it . Then start to pull arms off . This may be just a cosmetic problem ,but wait untill you want to sell it on ,I wouldnt want to buy it . Harnser . Edited June 4, 2011 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Ok still no leaking from my chambers and when Sage and team re blacked the one set nothing seeped out. I would listen to Sage he and his team know their stuff, all my guns go to them from now on top service a quality price and they do customer service!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Been to clay shoot today... Yep, contrary to what GMK say mine is definitely not normal. Looked at some other Beretta's including silver pig... Others that looked at mine also said that it looks knackered. I didn't use it today just took it to compare.. So its heading back to dealer next weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Ok none has sweated oil at the seam others are all ok still visible gap or space. but lots of oil on the floor where a bung dropped out on me, you all knew that would happen didn't you Edited June 11, 2011 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny v Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Spiderdude, I too have exactly the same Silver Pigeon 1 with 30 inch barrells which is also only a few months old. Having read this thread I decided to check mine and can confirm that the entire seal around the barrel is fine. There are no gaps especially large ones that are big enough to get a finger nail into. If my gun was the same then I would definitly return it and request a replacement gun as the damage may already be done. Please let us know how you get on and what GMK/Berettas response is. Good luck V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage 100 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Yes , return the whole gun in case they want to send it off to replace it . Then start to pull arms off . This may be just a cosmetic problem ,but wait untill you want to sell it on ,I wouldnt want to buy it . Harnser . Like your style, we sing of the same hymn sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Well after getting home yesterday I managed to bang the stock on edge of my desk and put a right dent in it... I think I am just jinxed with this gun.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 steam the dent out ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 steam the dent out ? How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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