Shotgun Carts

[kyska]

Hmmm...I've just been doing some random reading on shotgun cartridges, now I tend to just buy anything that is available, my cart bag even has different brands, all 30g 6's though.

 

Is this sensible? Should I stick to one brand?

 

I tend to use pigeon special more than anything, as thats what my nearest rfd stocks.

[TaxiDriver]

Are you sufficiently skilled or refined, experienced as a shooter to be able to tell the difference ?

 

personally, I'm not, Im just out to make a noise and enjoy meself so whatever's cheap suits me fine

[sitsinhedges]

My performance is too erratic to know the difference.

 

It would be easy to blame the gun, cartridges or whatever when it's really just me

[kyska]

Are you sufficiently skilled or refined, experienced as a shooter to be able to tell the difference ?

personally, I'm not, Im just out to make a noise and enjoy meself so whatever's cheap suits me fine

 

No, thats why its never really bothered me, it was just a thought as I've been reading that some people swear by one brand and stick to it...

[Spara Dritto]

With clays I stick with Comp X 28g by Hull. I tried taking some Clear pigeon 30g no 6’s to practice on before pigeon shooting and you have to give a lot more lead... Almost seems like an extra 2 foot even for close stuff. I will be using the Comp x on decoying pigeons as I hit consistently with them. So yea, I stick with one cartridge.

[al4x]

times like this you need MC back

 

7.5's are not ideal on live game beretta, yes they break little clay discs but pigeons take a little more than that

[poontang]

With clays I stick with Comp X 28g by Hull. I tried taking some Clear pigeon 30g no 6’s to practice on before pigeon shooting and you have to give a lot more lead... Almost seems like an extra 2 foot even for close stuff. I will be using the Comp x on decoying pigeons as I hit consistently with them. So yea, I stick with one cartridge.

 

Eh?

 

How do you work that out?

 

Clear Pigeon are a faster cartridge than Comp X (not that you'd notice, it's only 25fps) so in theory you should need less lead, not more.

 

Seriously, you need to get out and actually shoot some pigeons (preferably with a suitable cartridge).

[Spara Dritto]

Because 6's are larger then 7.5 and so slower in the air. Well that’s what it seems to me... Some say 26" barrels need more lead then 32" they don't in theory but seem so in practice... Also alot of people say that 7.5 is fine for killing pigeons (maybe not beyond 40 yards though). I haven't tried it yet but there are more then enough people that swear by 7.5. It I find they aren't killing then obviously I'll change. In fact if you put a post up “6 vs. 7.5” I don’t think there would be much in it! Unless you’re going beyond 40yards..

Edited June 6, 2011 by Beretta Italy

[Gordon R]

Love that last post. Classic.

 

Obviously skeet shells would be fastest. :lol:

[Spara Dritto]

At the end of the day, I'll stick to what I'm more confident with.. If they kill I'll use them If not I will change... We will see Saturday.

Edited June 6, 2011 by Beretta Italy

[Spara Dritto]

Read this re. 6 vs 7.5

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/132023-28gm-75s-for-woodies/

 

Poontang you fool, you contradict your self far to much

 

 

 

 

 

This is your post:

 

(Poontang)

 

Use what you like mate, don't take any notice of anyone on here.

 

I've got some 21g steel 9's for the game season. I'm sure if the birds are close enough they'll do the job well enough

 

I'm using my semi this season so if the first two don't work the third should bring 'em down

 

So I'm bad wanting to use 28g 7.5 on a pigeon but you will happily use 21g 9 on a duck L-M-F-A-O you idiot.

Edited June 6, 2011 by Beretta Italy

[poontang]

Read this re. 6 vs 7.5

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/132023-28gm-75s-for-woodies/

 

Poontang you fool, you contradict your self far to much

 

 

 

 

 

This is your post:

 

(Poontang)

 

Use what you like mate, don't take any notice of anyone on here.

 

I've got some 21g steel 9's for the game season. I'm sure if the birds are close enough they'll do the job well enough

 

I'm using my semi this season so if the first two don't work the third should bring 'em down

 

So I'm bad wanting to use 7.5 but you will happily use 21g 9 L-M-F-A-O you idiot.

 

PW comedy gold right there.

 

Well done for digging that old post up fella

 

I think if you dig around long enough you'll find my feelings on steel shells and maybe, just maybe, realise that I was taking the pee in that post.

 

Would you like some custard with that humble pie? :lol:

[Spara Dritto]

Haha.. Ok poontang... Keep digging your self a hole ;)

As for being an old post, whats that got to do with how a cartridge will kill pigeon? Have they been training at the gym to bulk up so now it's necessary to go a size heavier? Bah! most people say 7.5 for decoying on that thread Haha..... Tell Mark G to go up a shot size too while your at it.

Edited June 6, 2011 by Beretta Italy

[poontang]

Haha.. Ok poontang... Keep digging your self a hole ;)

 

I expect the reference to shooting game and 3 shots was lost on you too?

[poontang]

Haha.. Ok poontang... Keep digging your self a hole ;)

As for being an old post, whats that got to do with how a cartridge will kill pigeon? Have they been training at the gym to bulk up so now it's necessary to go a size heavier? Bah! most people say 7.5 for decoying on that thread Haha..... Numpty.

 

Oh dear.

 

Do let us know how you get on Saturday won't you?

 

What are you doing anyway, watching some pigeon shooting on YouTube?

[ack-ack]

Stop it..... its not worth it!!!!!! (in a slaggy girls voice)

[Zapp]

[Gordon R]

Zapp - I'm impressed with the picture - very suitable. :good:

 

Straight question - how did you find it? Did you already know where it was or did you have to Google it? If the latter - what did you search for? :lol:

[poontang]

Zapp - I'm impressed with the picture - very suitable. :good:

 

Straight question - how did you find it? Did you already know where it was or did you have to Google it? If the latter - what did you search for? :lol:

 

Gordon,

 

Just search 'facepalm' in google images and fill your boots

[Zapp]

Poontang is right Gordon, "facepalm" is the search term you seek.

 

I had to go through a couple of pages to get to one I hadnt used (several times) before though

[chrispti]

Oh dear.

 

Do let us know how you get on Saturday won't you?

 

What are you doing anyway, watching some pigeon shooting on YouTube?

 

 

[Albertan_J]

To answer the op I tend to stick with clear pigeon for just about everything but I bought in bulk and they were cheap. I would shoot about any carttridge if the price was right.

[Frenchieboy]

Is there really that much difference between different makes of cartridges? I am not saying that there is or isn't, more asking out of interest.

I tend to swap from one type of cartridge to another for general rough, pigeon and crow shooting, it really doesn't make much difference to me as I tend to miss more than I hit so more often than not I go for what the dealer has at a reasonable price or on special offer at the time!

In general terms I have to say that I get my best results with "Black Gold", especially in number 5s for crows - When you hit a crow with a Black Gold number 5, even at range, it doesn't tend to fly on as they occasionally do with some other cartridges (Once again, posibly my shooting but I seem to shoot with more "confidence" when using Black Golds). Having said that I was using HULL Imperial Game loaded with 28g of 6 shot yesterday on crows and did quite well dropping 5 birds for 6 shots - The 6th was entirely my fault, I let it go overhead before firing to see if it would turn or not, which it didn't so it was maybe a bit out of range when I fired!

[Guest cookoff013]

what all you guys need to realise is, different cartridge manufacturers have different shot sizes.

 

for instance rc sipe, are a very famous cartridge for hitting hard. it says 6 on the shell but is loaded with an english 5 or thereabouts. does it hit harder? of course it does !

same for some fiocchi (italian)

 

different with some german shells too.

 

american shells have bigger shotsizes too.

 

some english 7.5s are loaded with a mixture of 8s, some english 8s are loaded with 7.5s and 9s, its just what the company has to use up so blend in some surplus shotsizes. especially in the elcheapo shells.

 

the best way to find a shotsize is....

 

cut open a shell, weigh 1oz. count the pellets.

use the chart at the top of the page.

[Frenchieboy]

what all you guys need to realise is, different cartridge manufacturers have different shot sizes.

 

for instance rc sipe, are a very famous cartridge for hitting hard. it says 6 on the shell but is loaded with an english 5 or thereabouts. does it hit harder? of course it does !

same for some fiocchi (italian)

 

different with some german shells too.

 

american shells have bigger shotsizes too.

 

some english 7.5s are loaded with a mixture of 8s, some english 8s are loaded with 7.5s and 9s, its just what the company has to use up so blend in some surplus shotsizes. especially in the elcheapo shells.

 

the best way to find a shotsize is....

 

cut open a shell, weigh 1oz. count the pellets.

use the chart at the top of the page.

 

I do not want to argue the point as I don't know myself, I am just trying to understand things a little better. What I would ask is: Is this factual or just hearsay? If it is factual then surely this means that even though we think we are using a size 6 shot cartridge we could in fact be using 5 shot or even 7 shot. If this is the case is there any way of knowing which make of cartridge is the one with the correct size of shot as printed on the box short of cutting the cartridge open to check please?