Pigeon Carts

[Evil Elvis]

I'd hate to be restricted to an effective kill range below my ability.

 

[EdSolomons]

Moral of the story- use what works for you! I'm happy with anything including and above ounce 7.5s, if you don't find they work for you- shoot something else! When I have used them

In the past it was not for cost reasons, that was all I had and as they do a good job for me I'll happily use them

Again. Horses for courses.

[Paul T]

Can't believe some of the comments here :blink:.

 

If I know I've a good shot on a long bird I don't want to think "Hmm...7.5s won't bring it down cleanly, I'll leave it". You're there to shoot pigeons and need the proper equipment for the job. Leaving birds because your carts ain't got enough welly is just daft in my opinion and I'd love to see you try that excuse on the farmer whose crops you're protecting .

 

Last time out, my shoot partner and I brought down birds that already had lead shot under the skin from a previous encounter. The shot size was smaller than No6, that's for sure so only confirmed what we already thought. Chasing birds across the field or shooting them again is a waste of time and/or money. Birds should be dead (or very nearly) when they hit the ground - Be fair to your quarry.

 

It's 30g of No6 all the way for me

[wymberley]

Perhaps we should get the other 22457 members to vote and then we'll know how much of a problem we've got.

[chrispti]

In the past it was not for cost reasons, that was all I had and as they do a good job for me I'll happily use them

Again. Horses for courses.

 

I dont understand this

 

You bought your cartridges? If it wasn't to do with the cost, why buy 7.5s

[poontang]

I think that 40 yards is a lot further away than people realise.

 

Try taking 40 good strides and look back to where you started.

 

That's a very important point.

 

 

The last thing I want to be doing when I see a bird is calculating if it's in killing range of my cartridge.

[ack-ack]

Can't believe some of the comments here :blink:.

 

Birds should be dead (or very nearly) when they hit the ground - Be fair to your quarry.

 

 

 

 

... especially now the crops are at full height and you've virtually zero chance of retrieving and injured bird if you don't have a dog. Does my head in to think of something hobbling about trying to dodge Charly until it succumbs to injuries.

[Ferret Master]

I've been given cartidges while shooting that ranged from 28-32g of 7.5's to shoot over decoys with. Was able to make a direct comparison between these and some 32g 6.5's and 6's that I was shooting the same day.

 

Hated them. Never ever again will I use them for pigeon.

 

If you clip a bird with the first barrel and need to fire a 2nd or even 3rd shot at it over greater distance then I want a larger shot size that will drop it, especially considering the shot is likely to be going away with less vitals on display.

 

I hit 3 birds with 7.5's in the head that then proceded to get up and walk around. Not up to the job in my opinion. Given the choice between a pigeon cartridge and a clay cartridge most people would pick the pigeon load. However, people choose the clay cartriges to save money and then try to justify to themselve that they are a good cartridge to use. Sure, they will kill birds but they will also wound birds that a proper pigeon load would have killed. There are several accounts from members already stating that there were more birds needing a second barrel on the deck or in the air. Surely this cancels out any percieved saving from using sub-standard cartridges for the job?

 

Before anyone suggests it was all down purely to user error, I picked 44 birds for less than 100 shots and they weren't decoying particularly well so I think it's fair to say I was able to make a fair comparison between the different loads as I was hitting most of what decoyed.

 

FM

[wids]

Peter theobald in the june 2011 issue of sporting gun mentions people far over estimate the shot a pigeon can take, its due to the birds feathers falling out so easy (How easy is a pigeon to pluck compared to a pheasant or duck!) saying a single pellet across the back of a pigeon can knock loads of feathers out making it look like it was very hard hit, in fact it may not have even hit the body!

 

He says he uses 28g no 7 shot and that is ample enough and he def knows his stuff!

 

People on here saying they dont want to pass up a shot at a bird in fear of small loads need to think that maybe they should not be popping at as many of these birds, and concentrate on pulling the birds in to actually get some shot an crop protection done! Not to mention missing it but spooking other bird. Let 1 land in and majority of the time another will join it before it goes - shoot that then you have a chance of the second leaving the pattern If it leaves before being joined then no loss as you get it as it goes away...

 

7.5 28g shot is great for decoyed birds and thats what we are on about - not just standing under a flightline where birds tend to be higher or distand crossers when most shots are 40 yard plus then yeh bigger load - but when most shots are 20-35 yards then you need some more practice if birds are walking away after being shot with 7.5 28g shot - esp whoever mentioned birds shot in the head walking off :blink: likely it just had 1 in the head that can cause game to do funny things no matter what shotsize the 1 pellet is.

[EdSolomons]

I order mine in bulk from hull, I don't do a massive amount of pigeoning and that's what I had in my store. I don't ***** many, so I'm happy They are good enough. If people

Can get results they want with a shell then go for it. Most pricked birds are down to too open chokes and poor shooting. The shells are a distant 3rd in my book.

[Ferret Master]

Peter theobald in the june 2011 issue of sporting gun mentions people far over estimate the shot a pigeon can take, its due to the birds feathers falling out so easy (How easy is a pigeon to pluck compared to a pheasant or duck!) saying a single pellet across the back of a pigeon can knock loads of feathers out making it look like it was very hard hit, in fact it may not have even hit the body!

 

He says he uses 28g no 7 shot and that is ample enough and he def knows his stuff!

 

People on here saying they dont want to pass up a shot at a bird in fear of small loads need to think that maybe they should not be popping at as many of these birds, and concentrate on pulling the birds in to actually get some shot an crop protection done! Not to mention missing it but spooking other bird. Let 1 land in and majority of the time another will join it before it goes - shoot that then you have a chance of the second leaving the pattern If it leaves before being joined then no loss as you get it as it goes away...

 

7.5 28g shot is great for decoyed birds and thats what we are on about - not just standing under a flightline where birds tend to be higher or distand crossers when most shots are 40 yard plus then yeh bigger load - but when most shots are 20-35 yards then you need some more practice if birds are walking away after being shot with 7.5 28g shot - esp whoever mentioned birds shot in the head walking off :blink: likely it just had 1 in the head that can cause game to do funny things no matter what shotsize the 1 pellet is.

Calling me a liar?

 

I'm well aware of the backflips a headshot pigeon can do and these were certainly not doing this.

 

FM

[chrispti]

Peter theobald in the june 2011 issue of sporting gun mentions people far over estimate the shot a pigeon can take, its due to the birds feathers falling out so easy (How easy is a pigeon to pluck compared to a pheasant or duck!) saying a single pellet across the back of a pigeon can knock loads of feathers out making it look like it was very hard hit, in fact it may not have even hit the body!

 

He says he uses 28g no 7 shot and that is ample enough and he def knows his stuff!

 

People on here saying they dont want to pass up a shot at a bird in fear of small loads need to think that maybe they should not be popping at as many of these birds, and concentrate on pulling the birds in to actually get some shot an crop protection done! Not to mention missing it but spooking other bird. Let 1 land in and majority of the time another will join it before it goes - shoot that then you have a chance of the second leaving the pattern If it leaves before being joined then no loss as you get it as it goes away...

 

7.5 28g shot is great for decoyed birds and thats what we are on about - not just standing under a flightline where birds tend to be higher or distand crossers when most shots are 40 yard plus then yeh bigger load - but when most shots are 20-35 yards then you need some more practice if birds are walking away after being shot with 7.5 28g shot - esp whoever mentioned birds shot in the head walking off :blink: likely it just had 1 in the head that can cause game to do funny things no matter what shotsize the 1 pellet is.

 

 

If shooting pigeons at 20yrds comming in on a conveyor belt floats your boat, then good for you.

 

However, that would bore the **** out of me, and in that scenario, Id use the cheapest cartridges I could find too.

 

In May 2011 Sporting gun, He talks about shooting birds at 50+ yards, using 1 1/8oz of 6's

 

http://www.sportinggun.co.uk/shootinganswers/525090/What_choke_do_you_recommend_for_average_range_pigeons.html

[Bluebarrels]

All i have to say on this subject is "no comment" its been covered so many times its ******* boring BB

[motty]

I've been given cartidges while shooting that ranged from 28-32g of 7.5's to shoot over decoys with. Was able to make a direct comparison between these and some 32g 6.5's and 6's that I was shooting the same day.

 

Hated them. Never ever again will I use them for pigeon.

 

If you clip a bird with the first barrel and need to fire a 2nd or even 3rd shot at it over greater distance then I want a larger shot size that will drop it, especially considering the shot is likely to be going away with less vitals on display.

 

I hit 3 birds with 7.5's in the head that then proceded to get up and walk around. Not up to the job in my opinion. Given the choice between a pigeon cartridge and a clay cartridge most people would pick the pigeon load. However, people choose the clay cartriges to save money and then try to justify to themselve that they are a good cartridge to use. Sure, they will kill birds but they will also wound birds that a proper pigeon load would have killed. There are several accounts from members already stating that there were more birds needing a second barrel on the deck or in the air. Surely this cancels out any percieved saving from using sub-standard cartridges for the job?

 

Before anyone suggests it was all down purely to user error, I picked 44 birds for less than 100 shots and they weren't decoying particularly well so I think it's fair to say I was able to make a fair comparison between the different loads as I was hitting most of what decoyed.

 

FM

I wouldn't say 44 birds for less than 100 shots is anything to shout about. In fact, i would be really upset if i shot that badly.

As i've said before, most who don't think it's right to use 7.5 shot on pigeons, have probably hardly used them. A 28gm 7.5 compares very favourably to a 30gm 6.

[motty]

All the arguements for 7.5's are simply excuses for for cost cutting!!!

 

The recoil arguement is mute, if it hurts you :

your gun doesnt fit properly or

You are a wuss

Get a semi-auto

 

If you cant afford to pay the extra for "proper" carts you either: need to give up shooting

or Get off your *** and do some overtime!!

 

 

You owe it to your quarry to kill it properly, if you cant afford the correct tools...should you be doing it at all? :yp:

Odd. I kill plenty of pigeons with 7.5 shot. They can't be killed any 'deader' than dead!

 

Oh, you've killed 25 pigeons this year. Sounds like you're well qualified to advise on pigeon shooting.

Do you actually do any shooting?

Edited June 12, 2011 by motty

[tignme]

Tight chokes,28.7.5s deal me in.

[Spara Dritto]

I love the fact people argue about killing pigeons with 28g 7.5 when they all have decoys, cartridges or guns as their display picture. Then you see someone that says 28g 7.5 kill perfectly well and you cant fit all the birds he’s shot in the picture.... At the end of the day, If they work for you, use them. If not then don't, simple as...

 

(Note: I have no say in the matter about this shot size as I haven't tried - although, been told 7.5 work perfectly well).

Edited June 12, 2011 by Beretta Italy

[chrispti]

I wouldn't say 44 birds for less than 100 shots is anything to shout about. In fact, i would be really upset if i shot that badly.

As i've said before, most who don't think it's right to use 7.5 shot on pigeons, have probably hardly used them. A 28gm 7.5 compares very favourably to a 30gm 6.

 

I think a 2 for 1 average is pretty good going considering he wasn't just shooting back peddling sitters a 20 yrds

 

And I have used them, over 30 yrds they where **** and are no comparison at all to 6's at range

 

Again, if you could buy a 30g #6 load for the same price as your clay cartridges, I bet you would use them in preference to the 7.5's

 

We know 7.5 work close in, as would #8s, its just an excuse to hide the fact that its really a cost save.

 

And for the people who say '' I can kill pigeons 40+ yards with 7.5s, if you cant the you must be a **** shot'' are either full of **** or cannot judge distance for love nor money

[chrispti]

I love the fact people argue about killing pigeons with 28g 7.5 when they all have decoys, cartridges or guns as their display picture. Then you see someone that says 28g 7.5 kill perfectly well and you cant fit all the birds hes shot in the picture.... At the end of the day, If they work for you, use them. If not then don't, simple as...

 

(Note: I have no say in the matter about this shot size as I haven't tried - although, been told 7.5 work perfectly well).

 

I love the fact that people with no experience in any given subject, post drivel they no nothing about

Edited June 12, 2011 by chrispti

[motty]

I think a 2 for 1 average is pretty good going considering he wasn't just shooting back peddling sitters a 20 yrds

 

And I have used them, over 30 yrds they where **** and are no comparison at all to 6's at range

 

Again, if you could buy a 30g #6 load for the same price as your clay cartridges, I bet you would use them in preference to the 7.5's

 

We know 7.5 work close in, as would #8s, its just an excuse to hide the fact that its really a cost save.

 

And for the people who say '' I can kill pigeons 40+ yards with 7.5s, if you cant the you must be a **** shot'' are either full of **** or cannot judge distance for love nor money

If i used more than about 80 cartridges for 44 pigeons - 20 yards or otherwise - i would feel p****d off with myself.

For a few weeks i've been using a lot of 30gm 6 (Gamebore, Winchester) and have shot some great birds. My mate matched me and probably got the pick of the kills in our bag of 135 on Thursday when he used 28gm 7.5. Every time he shot another good bird i said, 'those cartridges aren't capable of killing birds out there'.

[yickdaz]

this has been covered many times but keeps cropping up from time to time and still miles away to solving it.

 

 

i will say i have used 7.5s myself only because ran out of 6s on a particulary hot day, and had 50 7.5s in the car so used them reluctantly but found they did the job at decoyed birds but the rangier ones not so well never used 7.5s by choice, even though they will bring birds down, but not every bird comes to decoys, some pass wide or high overhead so i want something in the gun that will drop these birds cleanly as well as the decoyed birds, and find 30g 6,s to be my favourite.also come the game season you can use what pigeon shells you have left in the cabinet you couldn,t do that with 7.5s

[chrispti]

If i used more than about 80 cartridges for 44 pigeons - 20 yards or otherwise - i would feel p****d off with myself.

For a few weeks i've been using a lot of 30gm 6 (Gamebore, Winchester) and have shot some great birds. My mate matched me and probably got the pick of the kills in our bag of 135 on Thursday when he used 28gm 7.5. Every time he shot another good bird i said, 'those cartridges aren't capable of killing birds out there'.

 

Then you are a much better than average shot I too hit more than I miss, but a 2 for 1 average is good

 

As I have said, I am against 7.5's for pigeon shooting, due to my own experiences. I bought 1000 7.5 for pigeon shooting and found I had a lot of walking wounded when shot over the decoys (30 odd yrds) and beyond.

[Spara Dritto]

I love the fact that people with no experience in any given subject, post drivel they no nothing about

 

 

Posting drivel? What have I said which could be related to "drivel" ? Don’t start getting defensive because you know what I said is right.

[Spara Dritto]

Then you are a much better than average shot I too hit more than I miss, but a 2 for 1 average is good

 

As I have said, I am against 7.5's for pigeon shooting, due to my own experiences. I bought 1000 7.5 for pigeon shooting and found I had a lot of walking wounded when shot over the decoys (30 odd yrds) and beyond.

 

It appears after hearing from people that use 7.5 - It's not the cartridge, It's your poor shooting. If they can kill using 28g of 7.5 and you can't, It's not hard to find the weakest link in your situation, I don't think it's the gun, cartridge or choke, either your poor shooting or your lack of distance judgment.

[yickdaz]

I love the fact people argue about killing pigeons with 28g 7.5 when they all have decoys, cartridges or guns as their display picture. Then you see someone that says 28g 7.5 kill perfectly well and you cant fit all the birds hes shot in the picture.... At the end of the day, If they work for you, use them. If not then don't, simple as...

 

(Note: I have no say in the matter about this shot size as I haven't tried - although, been told 7.5 work perfectly well).

there is also quite a few people on here who post pictures with birds shot with 6s aswell.

maybe i should change my avatar

Edited June 12, 2011 by yickdaz