stet Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 How many of you shoot a full bore without a mod. I have a 243 with a t8 but have seen a sako which I'm after not screw cut and I have forgot how good a rifle feels without a can on the end I know it makes a he'll of a difference but they don't half spoil the feel of a rifle just wondering if any don't use a mod especially for fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Been toying with the very same idea. Always notice when I get my .243 out of the cabinet how light and well balanced it feels, then I hang a big lump 'o Pred 8 on the end. Be interested to see what people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I have been shooting my .243 without a mod, never bothered me much but my mates complained (rightly so about the noise)so bought a third eye spartan last sat ( good people) the mod is unobtrusive in the way of balance, and I can now see my bullet impact, no flip or flash plus its definitely tightened my groups,I will not be going back to mod less. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 mod every time ,don't want to tip charlie's missus off we just knocked off her old man ,she may be sat there waiting ,hopefully with the kids ,its also been proven that people who shoot without a mod are waiting for the bang (flinch)which can't be good .also the kid on the lamp is always crying !!! and poking his fingers in his ears,,which can't be good for his fingers !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 ME i do. I dont care what others say, can't hear them anyway Seriously i only use the mod on my .243" when i have to, gave up to using it extensively about 6 yrs ago maybee. Quite simply if you must go moderated and want a quieter rifle pick one that burns less powder and can have a shorter barrel and still perform. The .243 is a lot of things but it aint a good choice for moderation. My Hornet is wearing a MAE T12 Scout and it handles better with it on than off, will prob get the spare bush cut soon and sell the T8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 mod every time ,don't want to tip charlie's missus off we just knocked off her old man ,she may be sat there waiting ,hopefully with the kids ,its also been proven that people who shoot without a mod are waiting for the bang (flinch)which can't be good .also the kid on the lamp is always crying !!! and poking his fingers in his ears,,which can't be good for his fingers !! It makes little difference in this regards, i cannot say i get any more or less second shots with one on or off. Belive me if foxes can hear you walk across a flat field of short grass they aint gonna fail to hear the boom crack (unless they are already dead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 but you don't know if you would have had a second shot if she aint there,,,had the mod been on she may have been ,,was there another fox in the next field ?nice windy night mod on she probably was waiting ,she never heard the bang ,mod off maybe probably not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 but you don't know if you would have had a second shot if she aint there,,,had the mod been on she may have been ,,was there another fox in the next field ?nice windy night mod on she probably was waiting ,she never heard the bang ,mod off maybe probably not! Its a riddle yes? Seriously i used one totally for a few years then took it off. No real advantage on doubles had as many without as with. Main use of a moderator besides hearing protection is it keeps the attention from passers by and neighbours to a minimum then i use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 It all depends where you shoot, we have too many houses, and horses about to not use one, that and I prefer not to use ear protection when out with the rifle. If you are lamping from a vehicle with others its pretty inconsiderate not to have one fitted. Thats all aside from most people shooting better with one on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have one on my 243 foxing rifle. But my 308 stalking rifle is mod-less, and the balance is so much better - I simply wear electronic ear defenders whilst stalking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Never ever had a mod a centre rifle . They make the rifle look ugly and without a mod the rifle handles a lot better and quicker for the quick shots at deer . Besides I wonder how much they actually quieten a rifle . If you are marking down at the butts the modified centre fires dont sound any different to the unmodified guns . No ,they are ugly . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Never ever had a mod a centre rifle . They make the rifle look ugly and without a mod the rifle handles a lot better and quicker for the quick shots at deer . Besides I wonder how much they actually quieten a rifle . If you are marking down at the butts the modified centre fires dont sound any different to the unmodified guns . No ,they are ugly . Harnser . glad to read this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 simple answer is fire a centrefire with the mod on and then with it off and I'd suggest Harnser has been shooting one for too long without a mod on if he can't hear the difference Its fine with your own hearing but do it when foxing from a truck at night and its pretty boring everyone having to wear ear defenders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Horses for courses again I have one on my .22 as there is no point shooting subs without. I have a very compact one on my .223 and had the barrel chopped so it doesn't affect the balance, AND it get shot close to houses/livestock Don't have one on my 6.5 as it is mainly carried up and down mountains, just to fire one or two shots, and the sound just seems to dissipate up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 I shoot with a mod on both .222 and 6.5x55 and prefer the lack of kick, the quiet sound and I shot 2 foxes in the same area last night the 2nd didn`t do one and we eventually got it another field we shot one and should have had the other, but possibly gave up too soon. Have also shot up to 3 deer in the same field at times. Balance and weight don`t bother me too much and I both recreationally shoot and cull many deer each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 How many of you shoot a full bore without a mod. I have a 243 with a t8 but have seen a sako which I'm after not screw cut and I have forgot how good a rifle feels without a can on the end I know it makes a he'll of a difference but they don't half spoil the feel of a rifle just wondering if any don't use a mod especially for fox. Been toying with the very same idea. Always notice when I get my .243 out of the cabinet how light and well balanced it feels, then I hang a big lump 'o Pred 8 on the end. Be interested to see what people think. You need to spend a little more time getting the right balance with the right mod, then there is NO problem. My T3 Lite was a pain in the *** to get right, it involved several scopes, mounts, 2 barrel cuts (19.5"long now), 3 different mods and then weight in the rear stock, it is now superbly balanced and is NOT in the least front heavy. (and is still a light rifle) If you want a mod it is likely to be something you need to spend time sorting properly, otherwise you end up with the usual ill considered front heavy waste of time. ATB! PS ....for EVERYONE who uses ANYTHING up to and Including a .308, FORGET the Predator 8, get the Predator 8 COMPACT and save a load of weight/size for NO compromise in sound reduction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Amen to that Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 PS ....for EVERYONE who uses ANYTHING up to and Including a .308, FORGET the Predator 8, get the Predator 8 COMPACT and save a load of weight/size for NO compromise in sound reduction! assuming you can get hold of one? rocking horse poo at the minute,I bought a third eye tactical spartan for my .243 last weekend, can't fault it, light,compact and effective, plus fitted by manufacturer KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 Never ever had a mod a centre rifle . They make the rifle look ugly and without a mod the rifle handles a lot better and quicker for the quick shots at deer . Besides I wonder how much they actually quieten a rifle . If you are marking down at the butts the modified centre fires dont sound any different to the unmodified guns . No ,they are ugly . Harnser . Totally because the moderator only helps with the blast in the Butts you will always hear the supersonic crack as the round passes overhead. However you rarely here the blast due to being hundeds of yards downrange behind the berm which also helps muffle the blast from the firing point. Yeah, they are ugly look at Dekkers guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 I shoot with a mod on both .222 and 6.5x55 and prefer the lack of kick, the quiet sound and I shot 2 foxes in the same area last night the 2nd didn`t do one and we eventually got it another field we shot one and should have had the other, but possibly gave up too soon. Have also shot up to 3 deer in the same field at times. Balance and weight don`t bother me too much and I both recreationally shoot and cull many deer each year. Yep and unmoderated i have done 1 more in a single field, its chance a steady hand experiance and the presure of a big cull to achieve that makes this happen not a moderator. Indeed i recon i took more doubles and triples with my 7-08 that BK now owns and he imediatly cut it for a moddy as it never had one. Read Ronnie Rose's book about ten shot mags on unmoderated Lee Enfields for further evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 assuming you can get hold of one? rocking horse poo at the minute,I bought a third eye tactical spartan for my .243 last weekend, can't fault it, light,compact and effective, plus fitted by manufacturer KW I have heard about these, think the guy is Clive at Third Eye, spoke with him about mods probably around a year ago, still waiting for some personal reviews, but on the face it it they seem ok! I'm quite interested in trying their rimfire mods on the HMR/WMR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) I have heard about these, think the guy is Clive at Third Eye, spoke with him about mods probably around a year ago, still waiting for some personal reviews, but on the face it it they seem ok! I'm quite interested in trying their rimfire mods on the HMR/WMR! guys name is Craig, top bloke machined the bush to fit the mod to my gun there and then,took the gun straight out to the field at a permission of markbivvy's ( 20 mins away) was bowled over by the reduction of muzzle flip, could see the impact of the bullet clearly, whilst before when shooting say fox without a mod it was always a case of listening for the thump or asking "did I hit it" as the flash and or recoil from the gun meant I saw nothing of the fox if it dropped on the spot,as for noise reduction/ effectiveness we had a good test in fact (ask mark) a group of horses were in the field we were shooting over the top of and the horses came to within 20 yards to the right of us whilst shooting they did not spook one little bit, it also without a doubt tightened my group. KW http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php?16694-Third-eye-tactical-moderator.-Pics-and-Info Edited August 24, 2011 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Yep and unmoderated i have done 1 more in a single field, its chance a steady hand experiance and the presure of a big cull to achieve that makes this happen not a moderator. Indeed i recon i took more doubles and triples with my 7-08 that BK now owns and he imediatly cut it for a moddy as it never had one. Read Ronnie Rose's book about ten shot mags on unmoderated Lee Enfields for further evidence. I have also shot 3 with my triple un-modded but that was due to where I was. With flat open fields, especially those surrounded with dry stane dykes, it is much easier to get several shots as deer can be confused as to where the sound is coming from due to the echo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 I have also shot 3 with my triple un-modded but that was due to where I was. With flat open fields, especially those surrounded with dry stane dykes, it is much easier to get several shots as deer can be confused as to where the sound is coming from due to the echo. That is an interesting point, I read a write up by a stalker who went forward for a client to wind some deer out into the open. The plan worked perfectly and the client took the shot, but the stalker said with a moderated rifle he was able to pinpoint the place the shot was taken whereas unmoderated the sound dissipates much further and is almost impossible to pinpoint. One common argument for the use of moderators is the complete opposite of this. We have shot 3 hinds over a period of 20 minutes or more with unmoderated rifles, they all died within 10 feet of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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