JohnGalway Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) . Edited September 4, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ratcatcher Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 KR - I asked NTTF and he said it was like pork cheers, maybe one day i might give it a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLINSRI Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 In general No i would not. However, I would enjoy hunting one that was a known killer. Not just for sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy75 Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Is it polar bears or grizzlies that were becoming a pest in towns somewhere? Killing anything for sport alone - to me - is not morally sound. But when you use the meat (or other product of said quarry) and it's sporting - then fill your boots I reckon! iirc, wasn't there an initiative with some government that would pay (or subsidise) shooters coming over to cull the Polars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I put down that I would do for meat,and the pelt would be nice too,then it occured to me I get enough funny looks from neighbours etc. with a roe hanging on a gambrel tied to the washing pole,what would they say to a bear hanging there??? Perhaps I`ll get a chance when they re-introduce it along with the beaver(behave)and wolf up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I put down that I would do for meat,and the pelt would be nice too,then it occured to me I get enough funny looks from neighbours etc. with a roe hanging on a gambrel tied to the washing pole,what would they say to a bear hanging there??? Perhaps I`ll get a chance when they re-introduce it along with the beaver(behave)and wolf up here. That must be a very substantial washing pole you've got there HD. Do you know how to tell the difference between a black bear and a grizzly? Scenario, the bear charges and you climb (quickly) up a tree. If it's a black bear it climbs up the tree you're in and eats you, if it's a grizzly it just pushes the tree over and eats you, simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Absolutly no , now if your worried about being mauled by a bear DONT GO DOWN TO THE WOODS TODAY, OR ANY OTHER DAY therefore you aint in any danger , and more to the point nor are the bears. enough said Martin What about if a particularly angry bear escapes from a zoo and runs into a local primary school for disadvantaged orphans. What then Mr. I ain't gonna shoot a bear? oh dear here we go, i'll bite though . put your not so friendly bear back in the wild where he/they belong, then he wont escape into your school full of kids, or put the kids in the cage so the bear wont get them such is a the responce to a silly senario. get a grip son. the topic was would you shoot abear for sport or food, the answer "mine " which i beleive im entitled to is no neither, i (me again ) beleive the hunters ,bears, couger, lions, tigers and so on should not be hunted, others have their opinion and rights to them, i dont have to agree with the hunting of predators as some see fit, would you go out and shoot say Eagles down or Osprey, no didnt think so either, so as i see it there is enough game out there for all predators, we included, as i was once told any animal with eyes at the front as oposed to the side deserve the same respect as youd ask for yourself . just my own humble opinion, with respect to others and theirs. Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I think that all bears should be shot. Goldilocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Absolutly no , now if your worried about being mauled by a bear DONT GO DOWN TO THE WOODS TODAY, OR ANY OTHER DAY therefore you aint in any danger , and more to the point nor are the bears. enough said Martin What about if a particularly angry bear escapes from a zoo and runs into a local primary school for disadvantaged orphans. What then Mr. I ain't gonna shoot a bear? oh dear here we go, i'll bite though . put your not so friendly bear back in the wild where he/they belong, then he wont escape into your school full of kids, or put the kids in the cage so the bear wont get them such is a the responce to a silly senario. get a grip son. the topic was would you shoot abear for sport or food, the answer "mine " which i beleive im entitled to is no neither, i (me again ) beleive the hunters ,bears, couger, lions, tigers and so on should not be hunted, others have their opinion and rights to them, i dont have to agree with the hunting of predators as some see fit, would you go out and shoot say Eagles down or Osprey, no didnt think so either, so as i see it there is enough game out there for all predators, we included, as i was once told any animal with eyes at the front as oposed to the side deserve the same respect as youd ask for yourself . just my own humble opinion, with respect to others and theirs. Martin Yeah but..... what if one did escape and.... What about wasps nests? Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I think that all bears should be shot. Goldilocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 What about wasps nests? Anyone? If they`re french wasps just put them in room 101 with the mushrooms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) . Edited September 4, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Okay folks, we deal with mainly black bears in Ontario, so that is what I will deal with first. Did you know that it has been less than 20 years since bears were classsed as vermin with no season on then. They were shot as you would shoot fox and left. Bears are not predators they are scavengers. Where bears and humans overlap they destroy bee hives, tear open garbage, break into cottages and homes, and steal small livestock and pets. Mostly if they feed upon livestock they stick to lambs, sheep, goats, calves, pigs.....sound familiar at all? Now someone is thinking that doesn't happen in the wild...when bears are born they are given until their mother is to mate again then they must find their own territory, this means they need their own place to live or they will be killed by a dominate boar...who very much like to kill and eat young bears, moose calves, deer fawns, elk fawns, and carriboo fawns. Now does not sound bad finding a new territorry, however all the territories are taken and they have spread into areas that are not considered bear territory. This is very evident by the fact that they have been spreading further south every year since the spring bear season was cancelled 4 years ago. We are now only allowed to hunt then in the fall....thank you very much all you anti, tree hugging townies that have no idea of the real world. It has also been noted that in that time prime bear territories have had a decline in the moose, elk, deer, and carriboo numbers from calf predation. After the calves are born and big enough to get away the bears return to eating carron, grass, bugs, grubs, frogs etc. If you think an urban fox is a problem try an urban bear that has no fear of people, and wants to not only live out of your garbage can but your house as well. Some of our more northern bears ; brown bears, kodiak bears, grizzley bears, and polar bears. When these bear populations get too high these bears also get into the trouble of crossing into towns and populated areas. They like the black bear are opprotunistic feeders mostly eating carrion, grasses and small animals. However when too close to people they feed on calves, as well as cows, horses and other live stock. They will also stalk hunters in wilderness regions if they think they can get away with it and eat them, so occationally they are predators, but in most cases they scavange. Like anything if populations are not controlled, and the animals are not managed for food, fur, and sport than problems of human animal conflicks occur. Ever seen what a car looks like after hitting a 400 pound bear. Bears are a fabulouse animal and deserve our respect, but they must be managed like all large game and predators if we are to live together. Their hides make excellant rugs blankets, and coats, and their meat makes excellant table fare. They are an animal and I did not get to the top of the food chain to be eaten by one....which a very good friend of mine was 2 years ago when he flew into open his carriboo camp for the season. Scott left 2 little girls and a wife behind thanks to a bear that had gotten use to being around people. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I wonder if people that have said no are making the same distinction that Basil brush is sooooo cute how could you shoot him.... or awwww that big cuddly teddy bear how could you...... Double standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 If it was me or him, it'd be him. I'd feel obliged to skin & cure the pelt, eat the meat and wear the teeth tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) . Edited September 4, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I voted no, eh I don't think foxes would take to me really. I've no reason (it's not attacking me, chewing on my car or sh***ng in my house instead of the woods... if indeed that's what really goes on down there) to shoot one really that's all Don't mind if you do though, carry on John I too voted no to shooting them for sport, but would shoot them if it proved neccessary for poulation control etc. I have also read a lot about big game shooting, Sir Samuel White Baker, Fredrick Selous, WDM Bell, John Taylor and Jim Corbett. Do not want to shoot an elephant/tiger/lion/ buffalo but I would for the right reasons (hunger safety etc). I have nothing against anyone that does though, I loved reading about the "good old days". Beware of the bigots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Okay folks, we deal with mainly black bears in Ontario, so that is what I will deal with first. Did you know that it has been less than 20 years since bears were classsed as vermin with no season on then. They were shot as you would shoot fox and left. Bears are not predators they are scavengers. Where bears and humans overlap they destroy bee hives, tear open garbage, break into cottages and homes, and steal small livestock and pets. Mostly if they feed upon livestock they stick to lambs, sheep, goats, calves, pigs.....sound familiar at all? Now someone is thinking that doesn't happen in the wild...when bears are born they are given until their mother is to mate again then they must find their own territory, this means they need their own place to live or they will be killed by a dominate boar...who very much like to kill and eat young bears, moose calves, deer fawns, elk fawns, and carriboo fawns. Now does not sound bad finding a new territorry, however all the territories are taken and they have spread into areas that are not considered bear territory. This is very evident by the fact that they have been spreading further south every year since the spring bear season was cancelled 4 years ago. We are now only allowed to hunt then in the fall....thank you very much all you anti, tree hugging townies that have no idea of the real world. It has also been noted that in that time prime bear territories have had a decline in the moose, elk, deer, and carriboo numbers from calf predation. After the calves are born and big enough to get away the bears return to eating carron, grass, bugs, grubs, frogs etc. If you think an urban fox is a problem try an urban bear that has no fear of people, and wants to not only live out of your garbage can but your house as well. Some of our more northern bears ; brown bears, kodiak bears, grizzley bears, and polar bears. When these bear populations get too high these bears also get into the trouble of crossing into towns and populated areas. They like the black bear are opprotunistic feeders mostly eating carrion, grasses and small animals. However when too close to people they feed on calves, as well as cows, horses and other live stock. They will also stalk hunters in wilderness regions if they think they can get away with it and eat them, so occationally they are predators, but in most cases they scavange. Like anything if populations are not controlled, and the animals are not managed for food, fur, and sport than problems of human animal conflicks occur. Ever seen what a car looks like after hitting a 400 pound bear. Bears are a fabulouse animal and deserve our respect, but they must be managed like all large game and predators if we are to live together. Their hides make excellant rugs blankets, and coats, and their meat makes excellant table fare. They are an animal and I did not get to the top of the food chain to be eaten by one....which a very good friend of mine was 2 years ago when he flew into open his carriboo camp for the season. Scott left 2 little girls and a wife behind thanks to a bear that had gotten use to being around people. NTTF Thanks for that NTTF I enjoyed reading it very much. I agree with all you have said. You would know, as im sure your not too far from the fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) . Edited September 4, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Just a thought, but after some reflection is it really too late to change my vote? (what's happened to the hunter smiley by the way?) John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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