Bloggs Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I have recently taken up clay bustin' and once my shotgun certificate comes through I'll be looking to purchase my first gun The chap that introduced me to this fine sport recommended that a second hand Miroku, Browning or Beretta would be a good starting point on my quest to find the right first gun. I've quite got my heart set on a Browning Cynergy, I just love the styling of it and I tried one for fit at the weekend and funny ol' thing it fits well.... Just checked the shops website and it looks like the gun has sold... I've done a bit of research on t'internet and my overall impression is that people have mixed feelings about the Cynergy. I was wondering what peoples views are here on PW, and why...? Just like to say thanks in advance for any info... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 A friend of mine has had a Browning Cynergy for some years, its the main gun he shoots and speaks well of it. I think all makes and models have their fans and critics in equal number, trying before buying is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) Chances are you'll change guns once you get some experience and more knowledge of what you like in a gun therefore get a second hand miroku browning beretta which resell for more or less what you bought them for. The synergy is not everyones taste hence reselling will be more difficult that'd be Mho Edited October 17, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
working dog Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I was looking at a Cynergy as my first gun but didnt like the balance of the gun. I tried a wooden stock (shot a composite stock first), thinking that this would be better balanced but it felt the same to me. I ended up spending more than I anticipated on a 525 sporter but the gun just felt better for me. I was fortunate that I could try a few of the popular makes before it came to decision time. I'm glad I had this opportunity as I have a gun that I am happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I fell in love with the composite cynergy but couldnt find one I could afford, tried a wood one in a shop and my heart was set, but bought a 525 as an interim, then got the chance to shoot a "Black Ice" felt bloody awful! Much happier with my 525!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espron Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I love mine, if you liked it get it. Looked for months and nearly bought beretta 686 adjustable stock wasn't what I wanted but keep your eye out on gun trader something will show up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) If it fits you and you like it, why are you bothered about what other people's opinions are?? When the Black Ice's first came out there were old wives tales of them 'dropping to bits' (forearms popping out of the metal skeletons, the rubberised grips rotting away) but as far as i've seen it was all horse manure, no doubt concocted by the blued barrels and walnut brigade There was also concern expressed about the hinge mechnism because it can't be replaced like a traditional gun, and while this is true i've had my Cynergy for 5 years and put at least 10,000 cartridges through it and its as tight as the day i bought it (a bit too tight for my liking actually as it doesn't open by itself when you release the key!) At my strawbaler its easily the most popular gun and there are now 6 cynergys, with a mix of several different models If it fits you and you want it, gets it says i! Mark Edited October 18, 2011 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloggs Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I went and had a look at another Cynergy today and the gun felt very different to the origional Cynergy that I tried last week. The muzzle seemed a bit high when I placed the gun in the shoulder - I have read on the net that some people say that they find the Cynergy shoots a bit high. It did have an adjustable stock but the shop owner said that raising the cast will only exacerbate the situation. I'm just wondering if the original Cynergy that I tried was a classic which has a more traditional style stock. Whilst I was there I did try a Browning 525 for size and have to say that I was much more comfortable with it.... It came into the shoulder nicely and the barrel look straight and level :unsure: When I got back home I searched on the internet for a Cynergy classic in the UK and couldn't find any second hand or new ones for sale. Is it easy enough for a shop to get one in if that's the route I decide to go - however this probably means buying a gun without even trying it for fit first.. Again, thanks for everyone's input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 "Whilst I was there I did try a Browning 525 for size and have to say that I was much more comfortable with it.... It came into the shoulder nicely and the barrel look straight and level " I think your answering your own question here!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Yep 525 is the proven gun based on an 80+ year old design by John Moses browning himself cynergy is reinventing the wheel, I loved them till I shot one also look at a miroku MK38 Teague very similar but a bit different Browning uk are at most fairs etc and run try days around the country where they have most models for you to try worth keeping an eye out for one if your not in a position to buy just yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 The fact that it’s so aesthetically different could possibly effect resale value if you change your opinion of the gun in the future. Go with your heart and if you make a mistake - so be it, it's not the end of the world. If you brought a different gun because some people didn't like the Cynergy you'd never be totally satisfied I don't think, It would be playing on your mind until you go and get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) IS this the one you like? http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=B&cat_id=013&type_id=703&content=cynergy-classic-sporting-firearms Rather than this one http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=B&cat_id=013&type_id=294&content=cynergy-sporting-firearms Really not that different to http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=B&cat_id=013&type_id=355&content=citori-625-sporting-firearms Try before you buy.... Edited October 19, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloggs Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) IS this the one you like? http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=B&cat_id=013&type_id=703&content=cynergy-classic-sporting-firearms Rather than this one http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=B&cat_id=013&type_id=294&content=cynergy-sporting-firearms Really not that different to http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=B&cat_id=013&type_id=355&content=citori-625-sporting-firearms Try before you buy.... HDAV, thanks for you input mate, much appreciated. I do like the look of the first gun and I'm sure that's the one I tried originally. The one I tried yesterday is the second gun you listed I think and as I said compared to the 525 it just wasn't right for me What is the difference between the 625 and the 525, sorry for all the questions Cheers Thanks. Edited October 19, 2011 by Bloggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Basically the first gun is a cynergy action with a normal style stock, second gun is The cynergy (hogs back stock, big rubber bit etc) the third gun is the 525 (well the normal 525 in the UK, for some reason its the citori 625 in the US) normal Stock and action. For some reason all the ones in the pictures have ported barrels..... FRom the euro site Cynergy hunter Cynergy Pro sport Cynergy Inflex 525 sporter 525 game full range here: http://browning.eu/products/firearm.php?productsarea=browning&sommaire=Over%20and%20under Edited October 19, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 May I share my opinion, for what it's worth? Very, very, few Cynergies are used in clay shooting competitions You are much better off buying a conventional gun, be it a Browning, Beretta, or Miroku. They are all slightly different in feel and handling but in my opinion they are all better guns than a Cynergy, even though they are made by Miroku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Fair point. If your looking for a gun for a knock around and doing a bit of everything and you fancy the synergy then go for it. Re sale might lose you a few quid but if you liked it then worth the cost. If your looking to get to a decent level then give the cynergy a miss and go down the Mk38 trap route. Twice the gun less money and much better to shoot with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
original 45 Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 As my first time`proper` post on here and as proven rubbish shot (and worked hard to be one over the years !) I`m not sure my thoughts will help :unsure: ! I`m sure nearly all of the big three Miroku / Browning / Beretta will in most cases outshoot their owners. I doubt there is a `bad` gun amongst them . However this doesn`t necessarily mean we will shoot as well with all of them ! What YOU think of the gun is very important in whether you feel comfortable with it and hopefully see your shooting improve. As many more experienced scribes have mentioned above, all of them will have slightly different characteristics and balance. Whilst picking a gun up at a shop or club you can often feel these slight differences but I often without trying for a while you will know if you really get on well with it. A really decent shot can pick up almost any rusty pole & knock down targets I wouldnt dream of putting my gun up to - thats skill & experience (certainly something I dont posess !)and seemingly to be able to compensate to differences in stock length / comb height / barrel length / weight & cast which put me in a spin thinking about it Sorry to ramble but to get back to your point (!) I think the Cynergy is a fine gun - fullstop ! Whether you will shoot better with one than something else would be a hard one to answer...... From my own experience, I bought a SH Cynergy Black Ice 30" (adjustable composite stock)earlier this year. I bought it to replace my MK70, which in turn had replaced a 90`s Ultra GTi & have also used a 686 for a bit. All of them are fine guns. I would until now say I was one of the most unliklyest peeps to buy a synthetic stocked gun (as I love decent walnut on my airguns)but I reasoned in changing to the Black Ice (I`m a `lefty` as in shoulder not politics !)that function is a form of beauty and it would give me the nearest thing (within budget) that I could get to a `try gun` and if after adjusting the hell out of everything that can be adjusted I still couldnt shoot for toffee (both previous guns had been RH stocked) I would give up shooting & take up needlework ! So after my long ramble what do I think !?................ Love the Cynergy to bits - but I still reckon I`ll need to take up needlework ! ATB Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I would until now say I was one of the most unliklyest peeps to buy a synthetic stocked gun (as I love decent walnut on my airguns)but I reasoned in changing to the Black Ice (I`m a `lefty` as in shoulder not politics !)that function is a form of beauty and it would give me the nearest thing (within budget) that I could get to a `try gun` and if after adjusting the hell out of everything that can be adjusted I still couldnt shoot for toffee (both previous guns had been RH stocked) I would give up shooting & take up needlework ! So after my long ramble what do I think !?................ Love the Cynergy to bits - but I still reckon I`ll need to take up needlework ! ATB Simon The problem with adjustable stocks is if you keep tinkering you'll never improve. Adjustable are great if you know what your doing with the adjustments. I shoot left handed and have a factory LH stocked 525 IMO much better gun to shoot than the BLack Ice cynergy i was truly disappointed when i shot it. still love the look of them and if i wanted another gun i would consider one in LH but with the walnut. I would suggest stop changing guns and have some lessons to learn where your going wrong and how to correct it, gun fit may be one small part of the issue (Are you left eye dominant?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peathag Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Hi - I used to have a Cynergy 32" barrel sporter as in the middle one of HDAV's pictures. I only had it 12 months and traded it in for another Browning because of a few problems that I had with it. Browning stated that the Cynergy had the fastest lock times of any shotgun - pity the trigger pulls were over 8lbs though aye. So I sent it back to Browning to have the trigger pulls altered to something sensible around 4lbs - 5lbs which they duly did. I still had problems with the triggers after that and the dealer didn't show much interest and I gradually started to lose confidence in the gun actually going off so that is the reason why I traded it. However, that said I did shoot well with it and I liked it apart from that, perhaps a bit muzzle heavy and shallow top lever is a little fiddly to use to open the gun as they are tight anyway due to their design. If any of my colleagues turn up with a Cynergy I always ask for shot with it, in fact I had a few rounds with one on Sunday - happy shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
original 45 Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 The problem with adjustable stocks is if you keep tinkering you'll never improve. Adjustable are great if you know what your doing with the adjustments. I shoot left handed and have a factory LH stocked 525 IMO much better gun to shoot than the BLack Ice cynergy i was truly disappointed when i shot it. still love the look of them and if i wanted another gun i would consider one in LH but with the walnut. I would suggest stop changing guns and have some lessons to learn where your going wrong and how to correct it, gun fit may be one small part of the issue (Are you left eye dominant?) Hi HDAV Thanks for the sound advice and I think you are spot on regarding chopping & changing things being the enemy of consistency ! I am LH shoulder & LH master eye and yes finally getting a few lessons too (time & money allowing - middle of a divorce at present) but my post didn’t explain that the three guns owned are over a 20yr period with a long layoff in between. I did try a 525 whilst looking for a B/Ice & loved it - but I liked the B/Ice just a little more ! I think its true though that the Cynergy range doesn’t seem t retain residuals as well as others from the same stable due them being bit of a `Marmite` gun and you dont seem to see loads of them at clay shoots. It has a little more weight at the muzzle than my MK70 but is much much softer shooting - the Inflex recoil pad & `hogs back` stock design I think help there considerably, build quality seems just as good as any B/M product, has all the usual chome lined / backbored /Inv+ / steel proof barrels but also has the ability to be tailored to an individual more easily than most. Yep so far a thumbs up from me but then again I`ve liked Marmite too ! Finally to the OP who asked I think `Cranfield` has summed it perfectly in a post on the 1st page saying "I think all makes and models have their fans and critics in equal number, trying before buying is the answer.:" ATB Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I hate marmite! On looks alone I would have bought one, on using one wasn't keen. Stick with the lessons make a huge difference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lough Neagh Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I was mad keen to buy a Cynergy, they looked great in the magazines and i set myself to buy the inflex sporter, that was until i handled 1. i really didnt like the feel of it and ended up buying a 525 premier gold sporter which i love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The big boy Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Iff you have the money spend it how you whant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Most brownings have a higher comb than a berretta, its something you get used to.The cynergy has an interesting balance, its barrell heavy but once you put them up to your shoulder its balanced very nicely. MInes about 4 years old, had 10,000+ carts through it, never missed a beat and is still as tight as the day I bought it. I didnt believe Id ever find a gun with so little recoil, I have the built in inflex black ice, I can shoot 200(or shoot at) clays and not need brufen. However the new maxus with inflex stock is like shooting a .410, the felt recoil is soooooo low.....I now have 2 favourite guns!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 EE the black ice I shot seemed to recoil more than my 525 admittedly only had 25 shots at a try day with one could have been fit or gun mount I guess but even so my 525 has no recoil pad at all just the plastic plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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