markbivvy Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 then read this: The Shooter’s Journal AUTUMN 2011 6 IN THE COURTS Be careful what you wish for. Do-goodery is rampant throughout the land, and in its wake comes an insidious kind of corruption and cruelty. It’s surreal. Worse, it’s out of control —————————————— Innocent of an accusation, and got an alibi to prove it? That won’t bother law enforcement —————————————— Something worse than a case of mistaken identity IN HIS 1984 BOOK Adventures In The Screen Trade, screenwriter William Goldman emphasizes that a screenwriter must create a ‘believable reality’. This may not have much to do with reality as we think we know it. Some real-life events are simply too bizarre to be believable, Goldman says, and cites the case of Michael Fagan. In July 1982, 31-year-old Fagan scaled a fence at Buckingham Palace in the early morning daylight, wandered around for a while in sight of guards, set off alarms that were sedulously ignored, found conveniently unlocked windows, and eventually ambled into HM the Queen’s bedroom as she slept. (The armed police officer who should have been outside the royal bedroom had gone off duty before his replacement, who was out walking the dogs, arrived on post.) The Queen awoke, and kept Fagan chatting until she had the chance to ring for a footman. Goldman’s point was that if you put all this in a movie, no one would believe it. But it happened. We feel rather like that in Kevin Hunter’s case. With such a concentration of things going wrong in the justice system and affecting one person; a distinct closing of ranks as various official bodies either pass the buck, duck, avoid, ignore, double-back or just stick their fingers in their ears, our problem is trying to present all this as something that really has happened. In 2008, Kevin Hunter was approaching fifty. A family man, he’d bought land for his wife and daughter to keep horses on, built them the stables and tack room from which to enjoy themselves. He himself was working as an agency heavy goods driver. He was a firearm and shotgun certificate holder, member of BASC, of good character. The land on which Kevin’s family keep their horses in Warwickshire is bounded by a private lane and farmland. People wander onto the land, some on a public footpath running through it, and some in a manner best described as overspill. Kevin had shooting permission on adjacent land, along with several other people, who might legitimately be there with a gun. Are you sitting comfortably? Now suspend your disbelief In February 2008, someone was seen shouting abuse at a bunch of trespassers on the land over which Kevin shot, and possibly discharging a shotgun, but not at them. The person who claims he saw this event talked to a third party, who put a name to the likely individual—that being Kevin Hunter. The police, who were supposedly looking for someone who was attacking horses in that area, decide that a conviction under section 16 of the 1968 Firearms Act would look well on their CVs, and nip round to Mr Hunter’s house, put him in a cell for 11 hours, charge him accordingly, and remove his shotguns and rifles. During their investigation, the police recover tachograph charts proving that their ‘suspect’ was literally miles away at the time given by their witness. This was, quite rightly, sufficient cause for the CPS liaison to abandon any hope of a prosecution, and he dropped the charge. Kevin Hunter expected to receive his property back, but it did not appear. When he asked for an explanation, the police informed him that irrespective of the CPS opinion, they were convinced he was a danger to the public and the peace, and revoked his tickets. When he told BASC what had occurred, they immediately went into action, and threw in the towel. He joined another outfit by the name of the Scottish Association of Country Sports (SACS), whose insurance cover did provide a solicitor for a Section 44 appeal. To say Section 44 courts resemble large Australian bipedal marsupials is uncomplimentary to the kangaroo, but that wasn’t the bad news. The bad news was that the solicitor given the comparatively easy task was one William Graham. The police had a problem. Their only semi-witness (he did not identify Kevin Hunter, onlydescribed him) provided a time line for which Kevin had an alibi, one that they themselves procured from his employer. The solution was brilliant in its simplicity: they assumed their witness made a mistake about the date. If their witness had got the date wrong, then Mr Hunter would have no alibi. Job done. This was all carefully discussed by Warwickshire police in an internal memorandum. Kevin Hunter looks suitably unimpressed ——————————————— To ensure their version of events was the one the court heed, they omitted the tachograph evidence from the police bundle presented to the court. For the technically minded, we now have three separate charges to lay against the Warwickshire police: conspiring to pervert the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Any chance of putting that into a readable format? Think I have read it all before tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 7 course of justice (the memo makes it a conspiracy), failing to place before the court any and all evidence considered (Kavanagh v Chief Constable of Devon & Cornwall [1974] QB 624), and suppression of evidence (Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984). The lawyer should have had an easy ride. Apart from destroying the police for failing to disclose the tachograph evidence, the witness’s account alleged: • The person wore ‘Realtree’ camouflage from head to foot. Realtree is a brand name, and Mr Hunter does have a Realtree jacket, but not the trousers. • According to the statement, the man had a double-barrelled shotgun. Mr Hunter did possess a side-by-side, but not at the time of the incident. • The man held the shotgun in one hand, with the butt on his right hip, with his hand on the small of the stock. Mr Hunter has medical records to show if he were to attempt to hold a shotgun that way in his right hand, it would fall. • The incident allegedly took place on a Sunday in early February, for which Mr Hunter had tachographs showing he was driving at the time. In other words, the man seen by the witness was someone other than Mr Kevin Hunter. Somewhere along the line, something happened. The witness turned out to be ‘unwilling’ to appear in court. Instead of insisting on the appearance of this witness, the solicitor decided not to appear either. The barrister recommended by the solicitor performed as you might expect, given the integrity of her patron. She arrived at the court, and requested the considerably thick police bundle from the clerk. You read that correctly: she had no clue what the case was about until less than two hours to kick-off. Whether she didn’t know about the non-appearance of the vital witness is unclear because, to date, despite several requests for information, she remains exceedingly discreet. For those unfamiliar with a Section 44 appeal, the usual form is that the appellant stands directly behind his brief, with his solicitor at his side. That way, if the appellant thinks of something, he whispers it to the solicitor, who translates it to the brief—simple, or what? In this court, however, Kevin Hunter was instructed to stand in the dock, effectively isolating him from his legal counsel. The result was a resounding defeat for the forces of light. The solicitor and barrister finished the job they started by failing to inform him that he was eligible to appeal by way of a judicial review, or that he was entitled to lodge formal complaints against them. As ineptitude goes this was a text book case in how easily the system collapses when those within it don’t do their jobs properly (or at all). The secretary of SACS did write a few letters of complaint to Mr Hunter’s lawyer, but it is clear that this particular solicitor’s real expertise is in avoiding responsibility. Kevin Hunter did try his best to get official bodies such as the Independent Police Complaints Commission involved. The IPCC did produce a sizeable document, which managed to overlook all the ‘actionable’ aspects of the case: officers lied under oath, attempted to ‘jog’ peoples memory by showing them photographs of Kevin when they were only supposed to ask questions, etc, etc. Eventually, Kevin found the SRA, and the first thing we had to do was obtain documentation of what happened. Kevin was more than able to oblige, and produced literally hundreds of pages of material, including copies of witness statements, maps of the area, the IPCC review, and more besides. A genius for invisibility The next step was to see what the other side had, and that was when the fun started. From the first letter to date, every organisation has gone out of its way to obstruct justice. No effort has been spared to ensure that Kevin Hunter was never to receive anything approaching a fair deal. Letters of enquiry routinely were ignored until at least one reminder, and often not even then. Right now, we are still trying to see information that should be in the public domain, as it’s legal advice and therefore impersonal. We discovered that Warwickshire’s firearms manager came across it in a ‘similar’ case, and grafted it into Kevin’s file. The police have refused not only a Freedom of Information but also a Data Protection Act request to release a copy. As far as the lawyers were concerned, the case was over a year old, which meant that their respective governing bodies would not entertain complaints made against them. In fact, the barrister actually invited us to make a formal complaint, no doubt confident that the time bar would protect her. The IPCC, after much persuasion, blithely informed us that as far as they were concerned the matter was concluded, and anyway the majority of their cases they merely pass to the police to investigate at a local level. If you are wondering how they have the gall to proclaim themselves as ‘independent’ you are not alone. Suffice to say, if a police officer is sufficiently incompetent or corrupt to warrant their attention, said individual is hardly the best choice to review his own work. Mr Hunter’s MP was as much use as you might expect: ‘Get a lawyer’ was the best this Parliamentary representative could manage. Er—he tried that already? The Warwickshire Police Professional Standards department likewise seem incapable of recognizing that suppression of evidence is a criminal act, especially when the perpetrator is a highranking member of their own force. The Deputy Crown Prosecutor refused to comment on whether he thought the police had committed an offence in this case. This was after he received a copy of the memo revealing the plan discussed by the manager and the ACC to withhold evidence, and the later admission by the ACC of having done so. In a contest to see who could do the worst, the Warwickshire Police Authority probably just make it to the top of the heap. Technically they’re best placed to rein in a senior police officer, but to do so they would have to acknowledge that Kevin Hunter is entitled to examine information held against him, not simply information in a file bearing his name—although that too might be useful. Getting to grips with the seriousness of withholding evidence seems beyond their abilities too. The biggest problem, apart from the non-replies from all and sundry, is that so many of those involved seem unable to distinguish between a reply and an answer. For example, if you ask me if it is raining, and I tell you what time it is, that is a reply, but not an answer. The police, the IPCC, the Professional Standards Office, the CPS, the Police Authority, and others, have all pulled this number. The case is currently working its way through the European Court of Human Rights, and we hope they will answer Kevin’s appeal for justice. Before that happens, there is a chance that one or two other parties such as the Information Commission, and the Bar Standards Association, will help redress the balance. We will let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Any chance of putting that into a readable format? Think I have read it all before tho Apparently not then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 i gave up halfway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge007 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Apparently not then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Trolling again ray. no one to con tonight, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 perfectly readable Mark but you forget english aint a strong point for some article is worrying to say the least, but then if you watched panorama tonight? it's just about par for the course. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Mobile phones for you. use em as pc,s and to photograph boar in pens, tut tut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Interesting piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Mobile phones for you. use em as pc,s and to photograph boar in pens, tut tut. wild boar :lol: :lol: KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Wild, i bet he,s chewing nails. :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 It raises lots of question about whether he was treated fairly. If the article is correct, he was treated very, very badly. The thing that puts me off it is the way it is written with an unprofessional slant. The journalistic style is amateurish and hardly objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Article is biased on 2 fronts, and this isn't the first coverage of the event we have seen on PW, did you write the article markbivvy? It does read like every other professional involved failed completely in their role, accusing serving police officers of lying under oath is no minor matter, is it possible or even likely the entire system is against one man, who has had nothing but bad advice, professional failures, perjury and bias thrown at him, or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Article is biased on 2 fronts, and this isn't the first coverage of the event we have seen on PW, did you write the article markbivvy? It does read like every other professional involved failed completely in their role, accusing serving police officers of lying under oath is no minor matter, is it possible or even likely the entire system is against one man, who has had nothing but bad advice, professional failures, perjury and bias thrown at him, or not? did you write the article markbivvy? No. just copied and pasted from a pdf file . it is due to appear on the shooters rights association site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintime Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I can asure you all aligations made in the artical can be backed with evadence,It was written by a 3rd party with nothing to gain from it, he wrote it just useing the facts and the evadence supplied by the police. The amount of lies cover up etc has been rampent but you have to have a good memory if you lie The police dont. This is happening more and more to inocent people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 The fact that it's still ongoing suggests there is more than enough fuel for the fire, good luck Winchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) Is it guilty till proved innocent or innocent till proved guilty Good luck m8 Edited November 1, 2011 by mad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintime Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 In firearms law it seams your guilty first,And when you prove beyond reasonable doubt your innocent,they still class you as guilty, it sucks. Just been made awear of another case of false alligation on a RFD he has had all his kit taken,We as shooters need to have this sort of thing nipped in the bud for future generations,and sorted as it stands anyone can make an alligation against any certificate holder and bang in come the cops your guns taken along with you for interigation. Then you have to stand in a court room which has nothing to do with English statute law or human rights,because its a Cheif constables opinion that you are in some small way guilty of something.This all has to be payed for by you the innocent person now pray tell me how that is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 i presume winchester is the member name on here ? The article is clearly coming from one viewpoint ; would have carried more weight, especially with non shooting people if it appeared a little more objective. either way - if only half of this is true - its shocking and shooting organisations / shooting people should do something. has anyone else got a link to this reported elsewhere? or even let the guardian catch a wiff of 'human rights'... or bring out the big guns and get one of those dreadful chakrabarti sisters involved (although i suspect when they realise it involves the G word they will prob back out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Yep I would def make as many people aware as poss through the media ..so basically I can hold my sgc and fac then one day have a argument with a neighbour and by certain wording by them I could have them revoked and find myself locked up for the sake of someone being malicious .... Not right. Not right at all this needs to be sorted and brought to light and us as shooters of all types to get it sorted it could happen to any one of us next. Good luck m8 fingers crossed it gets sorted for you and us !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 this is the reason that i use the video camera function on my blackberry to discretly record any interactions with the public when i am out shooting. yes - its odd, and we shouldnt have to do it - but at the end of the day it covers me. and if someone was malicious and i could prove it - i would be expecting the police to be taking action against the other party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintime Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Unfortunate that form of evidence would not be accepted the police can use it against you but not you against them that is in no way a dig at you my friend, but a fact, The person who wrote the artical has no ties with it he was totaly independent, For example in England we have trespass law which states ,The land owner or his agent can use REASONABLE FORCE to make trespassers comply with instruction, It dose not say The land owner or his agent may not use reasonable force to make trespassers comply with verble instruction if he or she is a certificate holder. That in essence is the whole case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Unfortunate that form of evidence would not be accepted the police can use it against you but not you against them that is in no way a dig at you my friend, but a fact, The person who wrote the artical has no ties with it he was totaly independent, For example in England we have trespass law which states ,The land owner or his agent can use REASONABLE FORCE to make trespassers comply with instruction, It dose not say The land owner or his agent may not use reasonable force to make trespassers comply with verble instruction if he or she is a certificate holder. That in essence is the whole case I thought the essence of the case was the fact that he wasn't there at all on the day in question? From the way you word that, it sounds like he was in fact there and used 'reasonable' force to make them leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I thought the essence of the case was the fact that he wasn't there at all on the day in question? From the way you word that, it sounds like he was in fact there and used 'reasonable' force to make them leave? It does, doesn't it? And as far as I can recall, this is part of Kevin's/Winchester's/Justintime's problem. Instead of just sticking to the plain, provable alibi that he wasn;t even there at the time, he goes off on wild tangents which end up sounding like attempts to justify the actions taken by whoever WAS actually there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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