beerdeor Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Well I've read the whole thread and I am none the wiser.........not sure how I'm going to sllep tonight,actually I do I beleive I'ts called the "Stella effect" :sick: Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 is there any point to what there doing over there? it might just be but doe anyone care if they can make something go quicker than the speed of light or make a black hole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 is there any point to what there doing over there? it might just be but doe anyone care if they can make something go quicker than the speed of light or make a black hole? From what I can gather they are trying to harness the energy that may or may not be released when they make very small thing collide at very high speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 It is pure scientific experimentation that may (and probably will) have a profound effect on the way we understand the universe, the bi-products of this understanding will change the technologies that we use every day. Electricity was considered to be a curiosity and of little practical value when it was first discovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Eh ? Exactly, its fundamental universal concept that all variables are constant and all constants are variable - according to Zapp Branigan in his book "physics for the simple mind(ed)". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 The biggest problem with Einsteins theory is that NOTHING can travel faster than the speed of light. If it can, then the Theory of Relativity is pants and it is possible to travel backwards or forwards in time. If that is eventually possible, maybe the first guy to try it will go back in time and kill hitler, thus changing the future, which he came from. It may be that in the new future he has created by killing hitler that he is not conceived and therefore no longer exists. Wierd stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Is that right? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiny Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 The current favourite theory is that because of the incredibly high energies involved, the neutrinos are somehow tunneling through extra dimensional space i.e. outside our three dimensions and bypassing our space where they travel more slowly. Some string theories predict 10 dimensions most of which are "curled" up at atomic level. It might be here that they are travelling. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21188-more-data-shows-neutrinos-still-faster-than-light.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 It beat time by a 60 billionth of a second: might be a while yet before we can go back 90-odd years and blat Hitler! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iced Tiger Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Me thinks they might have a loose connection somewhere . They are spending a great amount of money to prove what? The (string) thoeries of someone in the scientific community are wrong, Einsteins thoery of the speed of light is wrong. Does this really matter to the man on the street, who has not got a clue as to the formulas these peeps come up with all the time. I don't think anything will change in the world as we know it either way. Surely that money would be better spent elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 It might make it easier for me to unblock toilets though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 If you turn your headlights on then do 60mph the light must be traveling 60mph faster than light No, because time and speed of light are connected. The faster you travel the slower time travels, so it'll account for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 To those who see no point in this, a few points: 1. Extending mankind's knowledge of the universe is one of the most noblest of ideals and should always be pursued, it's what makes our species great, we as a species waste LOTS of money on all sorts of **** , scientific pursuits is actually very low on countries budgets (unfortunately). 2. The mind set of "What good can come of this? do something more useful" is an awful mindset. with that mindset we would still be in the stone age, For example: Microwave Ovens penicillin Teflon Vulcanized Rubber Plastic Radioactivity Pacemaker All discovered by... accident, whistle doing "pointless" experiments. 3. Again, if the pursuit of knowledge is seen as pointless to some people then here's another example: The space race. Going to the moon seems pretty pointless right? the inventions and scientific developments that DIRECTLY resulted in going to the moon include (but not limited to): Kidney dialysis machines CAT scan Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) Freeze-dried food Cordless power tools Disposable nappies Rotary blood pump Fibre optics Satellite dish Bar codes Ear thermometer Fire-resistant fabrics Smoke detector Thermal gloves and boots GPS system the pursuit of knowledge and understanding, and the inventions and scientific discovery that follows is NEVER a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Why does everyone want to go back to kill hitler? surely you would be better starting with Mao Ze-Dong who killed between 49-78,000,000 people and then move on to Jozef Stalin who killed 23,000,000 hilter comes in a poor third with only 12,000,000. Edited November 21, 2011 by artschool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfletch Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 If they manage to use Neutrino's to create a time machine would we even know about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Add the "cyber knife" to that list Whatever way this goes I think Einstein can be forgiven, afterall was a neutrino even conceived during his lifetime? I suspect not. So Einstein's law states that "nothing" can travel faster than the speed of light, what I'd really like to know is - is a neutrino actually anything? Given that they estimate a neurtino has an energy of 140eV and an eV represents ~1.602 x 10^-19 Joules of energy then surely for practical purposes it represents nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 My old Granny used to move quicker than the speed of light...once she dropped a tenner and was out of her zimmer dived across the floor and scooped it up in her outstretched hand before I even saw it. Its all relative... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chockmoose Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 yeh stephen fry said it was all balls that water thing and he is the king of all things lol He probably said he likes balls.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 So Einstein's law states that "nothing" can travel faster than the speed of light, what I'd really like to know is - is a neutrino actually anything? Given that they estimate a neurtino has an energy of 140eV and an eV represents ~1.602 x 10^-19 Joules of energy then surely for practical purposes it represents nothing? I can't remember where I saw it, but it said that something with mass cannot travel faster than the speed of light, as the energy required to propel it to beyond C would require more energy than is contained within the Universe. Seeing as a Neutrino is deemed massless then I can kind of see why this is possible. (I make it all sound so easy ) I'd be pleased if it was confirmed though. Just chucks one almighty spanner in the works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chockmoose Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 No, because time and speed of light are connected. The faster you travel the slower time travels, so it'll account for this. nope, basically the theory forbids c+v The postulate is that c is a constant that cannot be exceeded. One thing missing is that you cannot measure the one way speed of light, one always measures a reflection (two way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chockmoose Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I can't remember where I saw it, but it said that something with mass cannot travel faster than the speed of light, as the energy required to propel it to beyond C would require more energy than is contained within the Universe. Seeing as a Neutrino is deemed massless then I can kind of see why this is possible. (I make it all sound so easy ) I'd be pleased if it was confirmed though. Just chucks one almighty spanner in the works Yeah that's a killer aint it? trouble is relativity is a way to transform the appearance of something distant/high velocity into a local measurement. The key word is appearance = what you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) nope, basically the theory forbids c+v My understanding is that if you travel at 1/2 C then time will tick by half as slow. (several edits later - As in 1 second will (for the person travelling at 1/2 C ) be 2 seconds to them) Edited November 21, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 its all relative investigating faster than light travel when i cant afford to put petrol in my panda Anyway if you went back in time to kill hitler the germans would probably of won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 What do you mean by "deemed" massless - surely in order to be "something" it has to have mass and in order to hold energy it must have a mass associated with it!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Four friends were discussing Einsteins theory in the pub one of them said what is the fastest thing on the planet. First one said… Thats easy its the power of thought. You have a thought and just like that its immediately in your head. Yep definitely thought. Second one said…. No, its the Human reflex to blink and demonstrated by flicking out his hand at his friend who blinked immediately.. See look its blinking… look how quick Dave reacted by blinking definitely blinking. Third one said.. No, its Electricity. You know when you flick the light switch…? the Light comes on after the Electricity so it must be electricity..mustnt it? The Fourth one said… No you are all wrong its diarrhoea… What? They all said…. Yep definitely diarrhoea ... Let me explain. When I get home from the pup tonight at 12:30 after 10 pints and the chicken curry we get on the way home.. I lay in bed and my tummy starts to grumble and you know you just know you need the loo really fast…..well at that moment before you can think, blink or switch on the light youve **** yourself. Yep… definitely diarrhoea Definately faster than the Neutrino... Edited November 21, 2011 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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