nabbers Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I've been shooting a long time and have had an old Cogswell and Harrison .410 for 30 years and realised know NOTHING about it's capabilities or usefulness. It's chambered for 3" I once tried it on some clays and marvelled at the lightness, but missed everything. Talk me through .410s... tell me everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crob12 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Firstly you need to be a bloody good shot lol lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I've been shooting a long time and have had an old Cogswell and Harrison .410 for 30 years and realised know NOTHING about it's capabilities or usefulness. It's chambered for 3" I once tried it on some clays and marvelled at the lightness, but missed everything. Talk me through .410s... tell me everything! most usefull at short range, the sort of range even a light load from a 20 would smash stuff up. At quarry they are often pushed too far although the shot travels with enough speed the pattern fails very quick. I have John Brindles book here (shotgun shooting techniques and technology) he rates them for very short range with a more open choke- being very fast yet most are very heavy choked to keep the pattern together longer, i fancy trying this as have very suitable ground. good when your starting a young dog as the bang has far less percusion with it but still sounds like a shotgun not a starter pistol or .22 rifle. Bettered by the 28 bore in the field but guns and ammo for the .410 are far more available. Many say they make a great solid slug gun, but aint ever needed to try and can't see why. Seen a realy great clay shooter splat quite hard clays extreamly well with one shooting one handed, in the hands of most though totally useless. Seen a top Gameshot shooting well behind his gests shooting very selectively at wounders etc. Never missed though his skills were not that of a mere mortal either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 What sort of ranges are we talking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon street Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 a great little gun. I have had loads of squirrels, rabbits and pigeons with mine. 25 yards and under most of the time and few just over and I wouldn’t class my self as a good shot just average. I got it as a starting gun for my son when he was 9 with the intention of selling it when he got bigger, but I will be keeping it for good. It’s very handy if you just want to walk round the field and not carry anything to heavy. I have a small wood next door to me, if I’m working from home I see a quite a few squirrels jumping around, I’ll always have the .410 to hand and pop them off at 30 yard easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon street Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 What sort of ranges are we talking? depends on the cartridge. 3" 30yard, 2.5" 25yard, 2" 20yard . this is down to patern more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 depends on the cartridge. 3" 30yard, 2.5" 25yard, 2" 20yard . this is down to patern more than anything. 2'' are pretty much useless for anything other than shooting out the bedroom window. I wouldn't push 15 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crob12 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 they are a really fun gun, love my little single Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 http://www.4-10.co.uk/ U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 2'' are pretty much useless for anything other than shooting out the bedroom window. I wouldn't push 15 yards. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 surely it depends on the weight of shot and quality of cartridge than actual length I've had some 2 1/2 inch carts that were really low on power, but my favorite is the winchester super x, they're about as hard hitting as you get for a .410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon street Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Longer length means more shot means better patern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 No it doesn't, pigeon street! Longer length means more recoil, higher pressures, more pellet deformation, shot stringing, and consequently, POORER patterns. The 3" .410 cartridge is a horrid device. If you need more than than the 2.5" can offer, it's best to buy a bigger gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twitchynik Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 2'' are pretty much useless for anything other than shooting out the bedroom window. I wouldn't push 15 yards. Have shot pheasant around that distance with 2" carts - 9grms of 6 shot doesn't give you much lead but they do kill cleanly at close range. Perfect hedge walking combination that doesn't smash the bird up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) Longer length means more shot means better patern longer cartridge length does not necessarily mean a heavier load, a shorter cartridge with a plas wad can have the same space as a longer case fiber wad Edited November 27, 2011 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny_blaster Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 My favourite shotgun calibre. Ive had a few over the years from bolt actions, folders and O/U's and love them to bits. There very light and lovely to shoot. Ive got my heart set on a little S/S for small driven pheasant and partridge days or just mooching the hedgerows with. I once had a go with a 34" barrelled O/U .410 which was one of the nicest guns ive ever shot. Bit pricey though. I think the 2 1/2" shells pattern better than the 3". Cheers Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Well brought mine a Yildiz o/u about 6 weeks ago and slowly getting used to it for sporting and skeet Actual power is probably the same as 12g but only about the 5th of shot and that in a thin tube so most seem to think its more stringy than say 20 or 12g Most 410 experts tend to use tubes in their 12g so that always using the same gun for all 4 calibres 12g, 20g,28g &410 must make things easier but more fun to me taking tiny o/u to the range when every one else using 12g, makes for conversation starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 about half the shot of a 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Well brought mine a Yildiz o/u about 6 weeks ago and slowly getting used to it for sporting and skeet Actual power is probably the same as 12g but only about the 5th of shot and that in a thin tube so most seem to think its more stringy than say 20 or 12g Most 410 experts tend to use tubes in their 12g so that always using the same gun for all 4 calibres 12g, 20g,28g &410 must make things easier but more fun to me taking tiny o/u to the range when every one else using 12g, makes for conversation starter Really?That must be some severe loads you use for your 12 if it shoots 5 times the shot fella.I have one for the wee man and he loves it,and has been out twice with it and had 4 pheasants for 7 shots and 1 ducks for 2 shots which is outstanding.Once again the secret is to know its limits and stick to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 It's the limits that I'm trying to establish...Duck and Pheasant? What sort of ranges are we talking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) Understand but not counted 28 gram 12g no 9 about 500 pellets,2.5" 410 no9 about 96 pellets Actual powder ratio about the same and 410 velocity slightly higher Am I wrong Edited November 27, 2011 by ChrisAsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Longer length means more shot means better patern My favourite load was just half an ounce of 7 or 71/2s. I did ok with 3/4 ounce reloads on H4227 also but most my reloads were 1/2 ounce on all sorts of powders. It's a waste of time trying to make it muuch more than a 25yd gun IMO. If some one measures a gun by it's distance caperbilities then a 410 is not for you. If you like a challenge then go ahead U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstenson123 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 2" carts excellant for phesants at 25 yards 21/2" absolute rubbish for rabbits, you hit em and they still run 3" excellant cart for rabbiting, its the only gun i use when out ferreting,not a lot of damage to the meat with it niether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Understand but not counted 28 gram 12g no 9 about 500 pellets,2.5" 410 no9 about 96 pellets Actual powder ratio about the same and 410 velocity slightly higher Am I wrong I would think you are wrong,but stand to be corrected.A 3inch load of 19g will have approx 160 size 6 pellets,and a 28g 12 load will have approx 260 size 6 pellets.Its not something i have personally counted and just read,but i cant see where a 19g load will only hold a fifth of the pellets that the 28g load will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I was informed that sporting and skeet rules require maximum of 2.5" cartridges for 410 Not aware of No6 but looks a very small cartridge to hold that many against a massive 12 gauge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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