CharlieT Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Im afraid the cull is not going to be as simple as the Goverment make out, shooting entire contents of a set would extrememly difficult, plus badgers from other areas will then take over the set, which may cause even more problems for the farmer as it may even lead to bringing TB on to his farm will be interesting to see the outcome Which is exactly why individual licenses will cover a minimum of 150 sq km, with 70% of badgers required to be killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crob12 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Welsh farmers will certainly welcome the cull if and when it gets the go-ahead for Wales, we are over run with them here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 They do shoot bambi. Of course, but there isn't a plan to shoot as many as possible, regardless of age, sex or stature in specific areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Of course, but there isn't a plan to shoot as many as possible, regardless of age, sex or stature in specific areas. Research suggests that deer, unlike badgers, do not pass on bTB to cattle to any great extent. There have been some good papers published on the subject. Certainly in my area where it is not uncommon to find a deer with TB, experience shows that when there are no badgers about we are clear of bTB despite having deer in numbers on the farm but when badgers re colonise we start getting reactors again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 About time too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I hear a suggestion that all those taking part will have to be licenced and have gone through a training program? Is this rumour or can anyone throw any light on this? And just who is qualified in this country to run a training program on culling badger, and what would it cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crob12 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I did hear somthing along those lines Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) I think it needs to be done but I don't like the sentiments it leaves. "Opposition groups claim to have gathered 100,000 signatures for petitions opposing the policy, and plans have been announced to mount a legal challenge". Before you know it the media will be full of anti-shooting propaganda. I look to the BASC to really manage this. I'm confident they will do a very good job especially now we've paid for BASC Media Centre. The economic and social climate is such there will be uproar over the culling of Badger. Edited December 15, 2011 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Of course, but there isn't a plan to shoot as many as possible, regardless of age, sex or stature in specific areas. Iirc more deer are killed by RTA then shooting. Don't quote me on it tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I think it needs to be done but I don't like the sentiments it leaves. "Opposition groups claim to have gathered 100,000 signatures for petitions opposing the policy, and plans have been announced to mount a legal challenge". Before you know it the media will be full of anti-shooting propaganda. I look to the BASC to really manage this. I'm confident they will do a very good job especially now we've paid for BASC Media Centre. The economic and social climate is such there will be uproar over the culling of Badger. I don't really see what it has to do with the BASC. The proposed badger cull has nothing whatsoever to do with recreational shooting, the cull is the governments preferred method of combating and dealing with the spread of bTB. There is no licensed gas available therefore the governments only option to kill complete family units over large areas is to shoot and trap them. As the two proposed trial culls will involve DEFRA licensed contractors I hardly think it will reflect badly against shooting sports and is not something sports shooters will be involved with or need worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I hear a suggestion that all those taking part will have to be licenced and have gone through a training program? Is this rumour or can anyone throw any light on this? And just who is qualified in this country to run a training program on culling badger, and what would it cover? Yes there will be a (IIRC) a 3 day course and the candidates need to be at least level 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I don't really see what it has to do with the BASC. The proposed badger cull has nothing whatsoever to do with recreational shooting, the cull is the governments preferred method of combating and dealing with the spread of bTB. There is no licensed gas available therefore the governments only option to kill complete family units over large areas is to shoot and trap them. As the two proposed trial culls will involve DEFRA licensed contractors I hardly think it will reflect badly against shooting sports and is not something sports shooters will be involved with or need worry about. Thank heaven for common sense. I simply can't believe that anyone would consider that BASC has any involvement with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Yes there will be a (IIRC) a 3 day course and the candidates need to be at least level 1 Hi, Didn't spot this, too busy typing. Would this level 1 be the DSC? Because if it is then I trust the mentioned 3 day badger course tightens up the marksmanship requirement of DSC to a considerable degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2202 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 If your small you can have a matching badger skin duvet. I saw a badger a couple of months ago lamping. Boy do they move. Very quick animals Red or Amber filter? Nicad or the new lion batteries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 a 3 day course and the candidates need to be at least level 1 Why at least DSC-1....what exactly has Level 1 got to do with a cull of Badgers..? Not a pop at you by the way, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Red or Amber filter? Nicad or the new lion batteries? If you read my post before it was a red filter for obvious reasons. Think their using old ni-cad. Badgers just arnt as technical advanced as us. (Yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Why at least DSC-1....what exactly has Level 1 got to do with a cull of Badgers..? Not a pop at you by the way, Think about it. Defra will wish to be squeaky clean over this one and the whole process will need to be completely transparent. The only recognised competency test is the DSC, couple this with specific training for contractors and DEFRA will be in a position to rebuff critical questions from those opposed to such a cull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Yep,I know what your saying Charlie, but I've a feeling this will just open the door for more hoops to jump through...next you'll need DSC-1 to shoot Fox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Yes there will be a (IIRC) a 3 day course and the candidates need to be at least level 1 Chinese whispers eh, a couple of lads in our Deer Society have been involved with this and have been in telephone contact with Defra. A one day course has been suggested from them and nothing mentioned about DSC1. Once the course has been attended your license has to be sent to FA dept to put badger on the conditions,no rimmies, minimum .22 centrefire. Those that have put themselves forward have been asked to by the landowners who's ground they already cover for deer.The worry being that if they say no then strangers will be on their ground shooting whatever. Meetings by farmers to arrange an area of 150 sq km's have been done in top secret, even hiring cars to meet in secret locations. The idea was that the whole thing remain secret as reprisals from the badger huggers can be brutal and intimidating. I think it would be fair to say that the government and defra have now lost the element of surprise and the badgers out of the bag as to speak. There will be tv support with Adam Henson crying over his cows and Chris Packom offerin words of reasoning to his autumn watchers. The few who put themselves forward are having second thoughts now and I dont think it will happen now the press have hold of it. Edited December 15, 2011 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopss123 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 i bet the guy off country file will be happy . Every week his cattle get tb . Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Chinese whispers eh, No not really, my name went forward and I had a call not from DEFRA but the NFU and one of the numerous questions was whether I had DSC 1. I was surprised at the time to be asked that question but upon reflection, it did make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) No not really, my name went forward and I had a call not from DEFRA but the NFU and one of the numerous questions was whether I had DSC 1. I was surprised at the time to be asked that question but upon reflection, it did make sense I stand corrected, apparently they were given a number to call from the NFU info pack from the landowner, this was a recorded message asking them for name,address, phone etc, FA/SG license no and issuing force. They were later called back thanking them for their interest and would hear more in the newyear about the course. The DSC1 wasnt mentioned, not to say they maybe asked later on. Edited December 16, 2011 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 They've changed the ground rules already then; the minimum legal ME for brock is 160ft/lbs. WMR. Better add that that is not necessarily my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 They've changed the ground rules already then; the minimum legal ME for brock is 160ft/lbs. WMR. Better add that that is not necessarily my opinion. Its about as clear as mud olde mate, our Deer Society was approached by the NFU back in the spring at one of the shows we have a stand at,the general feeling from most members was not to get involved but a few individuals have followed up. Certainly this ultra top secret operation will now grow momentum, even heard on the news that the cull would be postponed until after the Olympics as there were worries of lack of police numbers in case of protests.Can of worms springs to mind, god knows what the legal calibre will be in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Lord knows what will happen here, all I know is I have farmers who have offered to pay for any course I have to attend to shoot their Badgers! Will there be regional courses or only courses in the Selected areas, how much will it cost, DSC is a stupid red herring if they make it a requirement, and what the **** takes 3 days on a training course to shoot a Badger, especially if you already have a DSC! About a clear as mud at the moment, and probably making less sense! No doubt a clever politician will make a momentous announcement in due course and the country will feel humbled by his vast knowledge of badgers and shooting! That is, if the Appeals process has not brought a stop to the whole thing yet again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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