ellie Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 HI ALL,HAD MY FAC FOR 10 YEARS BEEN WAITING FOR 12WEEKS FOR MY RENEAWAL TO BE SORTED OUT,ANYWAY WITHIN THE TIME IVE BEEN WAITING I GOT STOPPED FOR SPEEDING[38 IN A 30 SONE]SO I WENT ON THE AA DRIVING AWARENESS COURSE,THEY TOLD ME THAT I DONT NEED TO INFORM ANYBODY[iNSURANCE,POLICE]AS THE CASE IS NOW CLOSED,HAD MY VISIT FROM MY FAO AND TOLD HER ABOUT IT JUST TO BE HONEST WITH HER,SHE HAS NOW PUT MY FAC ON HOLD COS IT WAS NOT STATED ON MY RENEAWAL FORM,IS SHE RIGHT OR WRONG TO DO THIS [NEED YOUR HELP LADS] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 phone the basc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 phone the basc As said, contact a shooting organisation if you are part of one, thats silly talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 As said, contact a shooting organisation if you are part of one, thats silly talk. MANY THANKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Think you'll find that she's right. That doesn't mean that I don't sympathise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Think you'll find that she's right. That doesn't mean that I don't sympathise. HI,WHY DO THEY STATE YOU DONT NEED TO INFORM ANYBODY, AS THEY TOLD ME NOW IVE BEEN ON THE COURSE THE CASE IS CLOSED?SHE HAS PUT ME RIGHT IN THE SH-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 HI,WHY DO THEY STATE YOU DONT NEED TO INFORM ANYBODY, AS THEY TOLD ME NOW IVE BEEN ON THE COURSE THE CASE IS CLOSED?SHE HAS PUT ME RIGHT IN THE SH-- Ellie, Because I only said I think, I was going to check but have not yet done so. Am I right in thinking that you have to declare all offences whether spent or not? This is detailed on the application notes I believe. When you were told that you didn't have to inform anybody, the organisations that you detailed were driving related, as was your offence. Did you specifically query/mention that you held a SGC/FAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 i would have put it on the form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 HI,WHY DO THEY STATE YOU DONT NEED TO INFORM ANYBODY, AS THEY TOLD ME NOW IVE BEEN ON THE COURSE THE CASE IS CLOSED?SHE HAS PUT ME RIGHT IN THE SH-- step away from the caps lock. please stop shouting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Ellie, Because I only said I think, I was going to check but have not yet done so. Am I right in thinking that you have to declare all offences whether spent or not? This is detailed on the application notes I believe. When you were told that you didn't have to inform anybody, the organisations that you detailed were driving related, as was your offence. Did you specifically query/mention that you held a SGC/FAC? YES I TOOK MY SGC FOR PROOF OF WHO I WAS,AS FOR THE SPEEDING IT HAPPED ABOUT 6WEEKS AFTER I SENT MY FAC IN, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) YES I TOOK MY SGC FOR PROOF OF WHO I WAS,AS FOR THE SPEEDING IT HAPPED ABOUT 6WEEKS AFTER I SENT MY FAC IN, This is a bit daft, you could not have declared it when you sent in your renewal application as it hadn't happened apparently. If you have NO conviction or points then it isn't an offence and doesn't need declaring anyway. As said, talk to a professional, but I don't see a problem anyway, if this is all there is to the story! And please stop SHOUTING! Edited December 17, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 who's your fao? is it nyssa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 YES I TOOK MY SGC FOR PROOF OF WHO I WAS,AS FOR THE SPEEDING IT HAPPED ABOUT 6WEEKS AFTER I SENT MY FAC IN, OK, For renewals, you only have to declare the convictions since the cert' was initially granted. I reckon it would have been wise to inform them by whatever means after you had, as you say, already submitted the application. I fear that you've been given duff advice and the only way out of it easily is to find whoever it was and get them to confirm what they said. Yep, I agree, probably no chance. Try another chat with the FEO - calmly. After all, you did actually voluntarily inform them albeit belatedly. Explain what you've just said on here about the ID, etc. If no go, then, yep, BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 who's your fao? is it nyssa? yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 My take on this is, if the offence occurred after you sent the application in, it would be very hard to have put it on the form. By rights and within the law you would only have to declare it on your next renewal. However it would have been courteous to have phoned the FEO up and let them know that this has happened. As is stated on the forms, on renewal only offences committed after the issue of your current licence need be recorded. When you filled the form in this offence did not exist. I would say though, no matter what it is better to declare everything regardless what others might tell you, if you had phoned as soon as it had been dealt with, I am sure that the FAO would have allowed you to put it on the paperwork. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 nyssa's fairly good and easy to get on with,she's probably just covering her backside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 My take on this is, if the offence occurred after you sent the application in, it would be very hard to have put it on the form. By rights and within the law you would only have to declare it on your next renewal. However it would have been courteous to have phoned the FEO up and let them know that this has happened. As is stated on the forms, on renewal only offences committed after the issue of your current licence need be recorded. When you filled the form in this offence did not exist. I would say though, no matter what it is better to declare everything regardless what others might tell you, if you had phoned as soon as it had been dealt with, I am sure that the FAO would have allowed you to put it on the paperwork. Good Luck. one of them things, just be patient and get it sorted. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 one of them things, just be patient and get it sorted. Good luck. thanks alot lads ,still think its abit harsh to put my fac on hold over a small laps on my side of the matter, after 10years of shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 what i'd do is leave it for a couple of weeks,and if you don't hear anything phone the office and ask how long its going to take,that usually gee's them up (i think they just find your app and put it at the top of the pile). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 thanks alot lads ,still think its abit harsh to put my fac on hold over a small laps on my side of the matter, after 10years of shooting Ever since I've known her, my wife has paid her Tesco credit card off in full every month. Her sister has just died and what with one thing and another, this month she was a day late at the bank. Cost her £12. Yep, life's not always fair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 A revocation over an undisclosed speeding offence is the biggest lot of ******** I've ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Also, if you attend a speed awareness course, I don't think this still counts as a conviction; it is a voluntary thing - you CHOOSE to do it, rather than have the speeding conviction. I might be wrong there; I got points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 A revocation over an undisclosed speeding offence is the biggest lot of ******** I've ever heard. Playing the devil's advocate, if one can't be bothered to obey the speed limit in a built up area with both young and old folk, not to mention the infirm, about and which takes no effort to comply, are you going to bother unloading that rifle in a public place which does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 A revocation over an undisclosed speeding offence is the biggest lot of ******** I've ever heard. Has it been revoked or are they just holding as they already have it and waiting for a 101 form with the said offence reported. It is really, really petty I know but it is what it is, the one thing that having a FAC has taught me and that is patience and lots of it. Police depts across the land seem to make the rules up as they go alot and from what I have seen so far, shouting the odds hasnt really helped anyone. Even if its a appeal etc, getting angry will not help anyone. Surely if you have done the driving awareness course then thats paying for the crime, if you had been doing 29mph you would have good reason to be pretty angry in doing the course let alone having your license delayed. Speeding isnt enough reason to take your FAC off you but they can test your patience out by delaying things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 I had to do the speed awareness course earlier this year too and i asked the chap this very same question.He said i did not have to inform them at renewal because it isnt a conviction.He also told me that many Police officers have to do the course when they're caught speeding where ordinarily a conviction is black mark for officers,but not when they do the course because it isnt a conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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