WelshTom Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Right guys, ive just purchased a gun cabinet 4-5 deep bratonsound cabinet. Just wondering what the law is regarding the storage of shotgun cartridges? My plan is to buy a bratonsound ammo box now just incase i also apply for a FAC in the future but just wanted to check that this sort of ammo box is a must for the storage of cartridges or would a standard safe/lock box from somewhere like argos be suitable? sorry if this it a stupid question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishman-in-wales Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Anyone can own normal shotgun cartridges (i.e. not solid slugs which are sec 1 ammo) but SG shot and everything smaller can be owned by anyone, but only bought by someone with a SGC, as such there is no requirement to lock them away like sec 1 ammo, but the FEO will want to see they are away in a draw or cupboard or such where the kids or a visitor couldn't see them (imagine you have a plumber or such who spies the cartridges, realises you must have a shooter and comes back to burgle you or tells someone else where a shotgun is stored?) Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshTom Posted December 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 ahh great thanks i thought that would be the case, im going to get a ammo box/safe in the near future anyway just to be on the safe side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishman-in-wales Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 yeah that's what i use dude, and probably a lot of people on the forum, i keep them in my office tucked away..common sense really.. All the best Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantellissheffield Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 ahh great thanks i thought that would be the case, im going to get a ammo box/safe in the near future anyway just to be on the safe side buy an old army ammo box from ebay and put a padlock on it and away you go. i keep mine in bottom of cabinet with the shotgun, fao said so long as they are not kept in the gun ie loaded they can be sat in the bottom of the cabinet. i have 500 sat in mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 best buyin another cabinet and stackin them up in it, you never know when you might need more gun space Happy New Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 my car has hidden storage space under the floor mat's....i tend to leave a box of cartridges in there, has been useful when i forgot my cartridge belt or have used what i took out mine are in a draw in the bedroom, when i just had 1 gun i used to stack them in the cabinet.....but now thats full of guns they are taking up clothes space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 About 1800 12g in a locked cupboard under the stairs along with my ammo safe, out of sight and out of easy reach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshTom Posted December 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 my car has hidden storage space under the floor mat's....i tend to leave a box of cartridges in there, has been useful when i forgot my cartridge belt or have used what i took out mine are in a draw in the bedroom, when i just had 1 gun i used to stack them in the cabinet.....but now thats full of guns they are taking up clothes space Who needs clothes anyway mate lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Most of mine live under the bed (full boxes of 250), open boxes stacked in the cupboard next to my gun cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 See if you can pick up a cheap or second hand digital safe - I have one that's 24" tall and holds the best part of 1000 cartridges. Fix it into the back of a wardrobe / cupboard and jobs a good one. I only paid £30 for it from a friend and it's more than good enough for cartridges. ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Who needs clothes anyway mate lol its the wife's knicker draw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Putting cartridges into a metal container could mean that you have a bomb on your hands in the event of a fire. A lockable WOODEN container is what is recommended to store reloading powder in. I certainly would not put loaded shotgun rounds or powder into a metal container unless the law required it as per loaded rifle rounds do have to be kept within a lockable metal container. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Right guys, ive just purchased a gun cabinet 4-5 deep bratonsound cabinet. Just wondering what the law is regarding the storage of shotgun cartridges? My plan is to buy a bratonsound ammo box now just incase i also apply for a FAC in the future but just wanted to check that this sort of ammo box is a must for the storage of cartridges or would a standard safe/lock box from somewhere like argos be suitable? sorry if this it a stupid question. Where you getting your's from mate??? We bought a 6-7 brattonsound cabined with the locking top from Haylett Shooting Supplies, Haverfordwest, and had an amazing price, only paid £210 (i think) Shop around for prices before buying mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshTom Posted December 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 i got it from lampeter shooting supplies today. thats a great price mate!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danb21t Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 lol we keep a couple of thousand stacked up by the front door.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Putting cartridges into a metal container could mean that you have a bomb on your hands in the event of a fire. A lockable WOODEN container is what is recommended to store reloading powder in. I certainly would not put loaded shotgun rounds or powder into a metal container unless the law required it as per loaded rifle rounds do have to be kept within a lockable metal container. A I think the difference is that powder would go bang in it's entirety, but cartridges and bullets would / could go off randomly. They would be better in a STEEL container which may withstand the individual discharges without a barrel to channel them into a single direction. One for Mythbusters - perhaps ! Just my thoughts. ATB. Edited January 1, 2012 by station Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 this shop is very close to me...... http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/panic_over_gun_shop_blaze_1_878288 if i recall correctly the shotgun cartridges melted rather than exploded/discharged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 this shop is very close to me...... http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/panic_over_gun_shop_blaze_1_878288 if i recall correctly the shotgun cartridges melted rather than exploded/discharged SOmeone correct me if I am wrong, but is there a great difference between gunpowder(blackpowder) an explosive and modern smokeless powder which is a propellent. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danb21t Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 try throwing a cartridge in a fire.. completely safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 My understanding is that heat will burn the case and then burn the powder on shotgun cartridges leaving only the possibility of setting offf the primers at a much higher temprature Bullets are different in that they have no case to burn through or melt so can go off in a fire Only gunpowder needs to be placed in a 3/4 inch wooden box, nitro based propelants do not need to be as they will also burn off But i dont think you would find me standing in a garage with 1000 cartrdiges going up in flames next to me, I would be the other side of a good strong wall a long way away, just incase i have upset someone up there, if there is someone that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 SOmeone correct me if I am wrong, but is there a great difference between gunpowder(blackpowder) an explosive and modern smokeless powder which is a propellent. Blackpowder Yes.Blackpowder is much more volatile than modern reloading powders.Also like you said its still classed as an explosive rather than a propellant hence the licencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 just store them in a plain cardboard box or wrap them in leftover Christmas wrapping paper as camouflage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolhead Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 The law does not directly specify any storage requirements for shot or bullet ammo. However the Firearms Rules 1998 puts a condition on all FAC's that ammo "be stored securely so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the firearms or ammunition by an unauthorised person." That puts it entirely at the discretion of the police. The HO guidelines apply here. With regards to shot ammo, people treating it with a blasé attitude could lose their certificate though. There is no significant risk from ammo in the event of fire. Without a receiver to contain the explosion there will be nothing like the usual pressure built up. The gas will escape in all directions. This will be even more so with SG carts that use low melting point, flammable hull materials. In nearly all ammo the case weighs less than the projectile(s). So our friend Isaac Newton says that the case will go backwards faster than the heavy projectile goes forwards. Neither will be gong fast enough to carry much energy. Hollywood has a lot to answer for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 In nearly all ammo the case weighs less than the projectile(s). So our friend Isaac Newton says that the case will go backwards faster than the heavy projectile goes forwards. Neither will be gong fast enough to carry much energy. Mythbusters tried this experiment.They placed various calibres into an oven ranging from 22lr upto 50BMG and the glass door to the oven did crack eventually with the 50,but was due to the cases hitting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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