Trap shooting

[timps]

Can a gun shoot high or flat or low? Doesn't it "shoot" where you point it? The shot always comes out the end the same way?

 

It’s all to do with the rib and the eye looking down it, you are really pointing the rib at the clay.

If you were to put the bead or rib just on the bottom edge of the clay a percentage of the shot would be above the bead and a percentage below, flat would be something like 50/50. The manufacturer can play about with the rib to make the gun shoot high or low by altering the percentage above or below for trap or sporting.

 

Also if you were to mount your bead or rib on the bottom edge of a static target with your cheek on the stock then raise your head off the stock somewhat you will see the bead and rib will now be below the target, so if you permanently raised the stock to this height your gun would shoot higher than it does now when you put bead or rib on the bottom edge of the clay.

 

Obviously when shooting you are not looking at the rib or bead but you are aware of it in your peripheral vision in relationship to the clay.

 

My DT10 has a high stock but to me it shoots flat, when people have a go of it they feel they need to shoot well under the clay and miss, I tell them to shoot normally and they hit but they can never get their head round it, I think I freaked AL out with it.

[EdSolomons]

As above really. People confuse sight picture with poi. The former can be altered, the latter (unless you have a krieghoff) is fixed.

Raising the stock won't necessarily make the gun shoot high unless you try and aim the gun- which you don't. I shoot sporting and I say my eye is a good inch or so overthe rib. I manage to hit a few with it, it has some real advantages. But as i saidi in my first post, it is largely personal taste and you need to choose your gun and learn how it shoots. Multiple guns are for tosspots and people who like talking about chokes and cartridges!

[canthitathing]

It’s all to do with the rib and the eye looking down it, you are really pointing the rib at the clay.

If you were to put the bead or rib just on the bottom edge of the clay a percentage of the shot would be above the bead and a percentage below, flat would be something like 50/50. The manufacturer can play about with the rib to make the gun shoot high or low by altering the percentage above or below for trap or sporting.

 

Also if you were to mount your bead or rib on the bottom edge of a static target with your cheek on the stock then raise your head off the stock somewhat you will see the bead and rib will now be below the target, so if you permanently raised the stock to this height your gun would shoot higher than it does now when you put bead or rib on the bottom edge of the clay.

 

Obviously when shooting you are not looking at the rib or bead but you are aware of it in your peripheral vision in relationship to the clay.

 

My DT10 has a high stock but to me it shoots flat, when people have a go of it they feel they need to shoot well under the clay and miss, I tell them to shoot normally and they hit but they can never get their head round it, I think I freaked AL out with it.

 

 

 

:blink: :blink: It did!! :look: Totally counter-intuitive :yes: Seems to work though and you get a totally unobstructed view I might jack up the comb on mine and have a blast

[Chard]

I might jack off on the comb on mine and have a blast

 

:o

[Azzurri]

:o

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[canthitathing]

:o

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

I love my gun I do :yp:

[twitchynik]

It’s all to do with the rib and the eye looking down it, you are really pointing the rib at the clay.

If you were to put the bead or rib just on the bottom edge of the clay a percentage of the shot would be above the bead and a percentage below, flat would be something like 50/50. The manufacturer can play about with the rib to make the gun shoot high or low by altering the percentage above or below for trap or sporting.

 

Also if you were to mount your bead or rib on the bottom edge of a static target with your cheek on the stock then raise your head off the stock somewhat you will see the bead and rib will now be below the target, so if you permanently raised the stock to this height your gun would shoot higher than it does now when you put bead or rib on the bottom edge of the clay.

 

Obviously when shooting you are not looking at the rib or bead but you are aware of it in your peripheral vision in relationship to the clay.

 

My DT10 has a high stock but to me it shoots flat, when people have a go of it they feel they need to shoot well under the clay and miss, I tell them to shoot normally and they hit but they can never get their head round it, I think I freaked AL out with it.

Yeah, I get all that but that's you just pointing the gun depending on what your looking at/seeing. The gun isn't shooting high or low, is it? Unless there's some magic choke or something that bends the shot out higher or lower than it would out of a straight tube.

[EdSolomons]

How the barrels are put together and the relation to the rib affect if it shoots "high" or "low"

[twitchynik]

How the barrels are put together and the relation to the rib affect if it shoots "high" or "low"

Still don't get it :( Stuff comes straight out the end of the barrel. Straight. Not high, not low. You may point the gun high or low based on what you're seeing but that's you and your sight picture doing that, not the gun.

[EdSolomons]

Ok!

[Catweazle]

The rib is what you see in your peripheral vision, not the barrels. It makes a difference. My recent a400 has a rib that starts quite high and goes down to low over the barrel. My 101 has a rib that starts low. The sight picture that works on my 101, where I can see some rib, then the bead below the bird, doesn't work on my a400. I seem to shoot too high with the a400 because the rib is at a different angle to the barrel. Rising birds are fine with the a400 but I've missed crossing birds by shooting over the top of them. I'm working on it.

[Emmsy]

Still don't get it :( Stuff comes straight out the end of the barrel. Straight. Not high, not low. You may point the gun high or low based on what you're seeing but that's you and your sight picture doing that, not the gun.

 

if you rest the barrels on a surface and look down the tubes at something say 30 yards away you will see that the tubes point at virtually the same place, now do that at 10 yards and you will see they are pointing apart. the rib / top and bottom barrels all taper towards a point. thats how they are manufactured. the relationship between where it shoots and rib alignment are all different from gun to gun. ive always found my remington 1100 shoots everything high of the rib, yet my perazzi would need to see 3 £1 coins on the back of the rib just to shoot flat and my old miroku was somewhere in between.

[timps]

Yeah, I get all that but that's you just pointing the gun depending on what your looking at/seeing. The gun isn't shooting high or low, is it? Unless there's some magic choke or something that bends the shot out higher or lower than it would out of a straight tube.

 

Of course the shot comes straight out of the barrel no one is saying any different.

If you have sights on a rifle are you saying you cannot adjust it to shoot high or low as the bullet comes out of a straight tube so there is no point in zeroing in a rifle?

 

Your sight picture is how you judge how any gun shoots.

 

The rib is how you judge where your barrels are in relationship to the clay, how this is set up is high low or flat.

So it’s how far under, on or above the clay this rib needs to be when taking a shot, if your mount is consistent this will differ depending on how the gun is set up.

 

You always look down the rib at the target and if you ‘get’ my last post then I don’t know how to explain it any differently.

[Chard]

Of course the shot comes straight out of the barrel no one is saying any different.

If you have sights on a rifle are you saying you cannot adjust it to shoot high or low as the bullet comes out of a straight tube so there is no point in zeroing in a rifle?

 

Your sight picture is how you judge how any gun shoots.

 

The rib is how you judge where your barrels are in relationship to the clay, how this is set up is high low or flat.

So it’s how far under, on or above the clay this rib needs to be when taking a shot, if your mount is consistent this will differ depending on how the gun is set up.

 

You always look down the rib at the target and if you ‘get’ my last post then I don’t know how to explain it any differently.

 

Don't get it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[landyboy]

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it ..................

[PhilR]

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it ..................

 

that should be can't....just saying

[canthitathing]

Ok!

 

:lol:

 

Ed,

 

To quote Chard on PhilR " What would you know about it, anybody would think you shot at an International level" :lol:

[Chard]

Here's a scientific diagram, showing how Timps builds scores of 56/100 at Skeet....

 

[landyboy]

that actually looked like you at rufforth the other week ! copy cat so azzuri said :unsure:

[paulos]

Here's a scientific diagram, showing how Timps builds scores of 56/100 at Skeet....

 

Any reason his balls are sagging round his knees?

[timps]

Here's a scientific diagram, showing how Timps builds scores of 56/100 at Skeet....

 

 

:lol: ******* skeet

However you are only as good as your last skeet shoot, I seem to recall beating you on that one.

 

And that is exactly how my DT10 is set up

 

Any reason his balls are sagging round his knees?

Too much time on the balcony

[Chard]

:lol: ******* skeet

However you are only as good as your last skeet shoot, I seem to recall beating you on that one.

 

 

Only because I was distracted by your balls hanging down by your knees

[Chard]

Part 2 of the El Magnifico Masterclass - "Why We Miss"

 

[Azzurri]

I still don't get the concept of 'Reverse Lead'

 

Do you need to set your gun up differently to shoot skeet

[timps]

I still don't get the concept of 'Reverse Lead'

 

It’s so advanced it can only be understood by having 25 lessons at £75.32 per lesson, I will get Chard to do a drawing for you.

 

Do you need to set your gun up differently to shoot skeet

 

Yes, leave it dismantled in the case and go have a brew until the Sportrap starts.