Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Sorry for the long read but its quite important! Right got a new manager in work causing a **** storm. Anyone who says anything against what she says is given an "official warning" and generally victimized. One man questioned her proposals and was dismissed. He then went down to the head office and was re-instated. Anyways I said in an email to the company head as I was told he was our HR dept stating the problems and how her behaviour was bullying and unacceptable. He pretty much did not want to know and she sent me an email say that SHE was now the head of HR dept and that the company boss was NOT to be involved. Anyways after my complaint I have very suspiciously received a complaint today about myself. Saying I approached someone when working on my stand, refused to let them pass. Demanded there phone number and would not let them pass until they agree'd to go for dinner with me. Its almost laughable its so ridiculous but obviously its VERY serious as I am being told that it counts as sexual harassment and warrants an official written warning. MY manager then mentioned that there is CCTV in the area. I told him then we need to get the footage as it proves my innocence, he was reluctant and told me only the Police would be able to get it. I stated good as I would personally like to get the Police involved and take it further. They told me I could not as it would tarnish the name of the company and would count as gross misconduct on my part. Although as soon as I mentioned taking it further with the Police the manager told me she would take my account and down grade my warning to a verbal. I then told them I refused to accept anything for the matter and will be seeking advice on the matter, I then told them I was too effected by the false allegations to continue and ended the meeting. Now I know 100% this or even anything even remotely close happened, they also said the woman had my business card yet I didn't give a single 1 out all day as I had left them in my car, I was also sat on a stool all day. Now I know they have just got someone they know to send this in to get back at me as they have forced out 80% of the original work force already and are using similar behaviour against other members that are left. However this is the most extreme they have gone so far. I am going to see a friend of mine who was in IA in the Police for over 30 years and asking advice about Police involvement, also don't know about returning to work. Wether dismissed or I give my notice I know my time is limited. I am however concerned as to what effect these allegations would have incase anyone ever wrote to them regarding a reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Also just wanted to know that If I take time off work with stress would that effect my SGC/FAC ? :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I would look to find out how you stood with regard to constructive unfair dismissal an email to head office cc'd to ceo of company might be an option but you need to check your contract and company disciplne procedures to make sure your being dealt with correctlly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I would look to find out how you stood with regard to constructive unfair dismissal an email to head office cc'd to ceo of company might be an option but you need to check your contract and company disciplne procedures to make sure your being dealt with correctlly. I sent the original complaint to the CEO, he told me that the manager would deal with it ( Yet it was her that my complaint was against, bit of a kangaroo court lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Can citizens advice bureau help? I would just record absolutely everything with detail and any supporting copies of paperwork. If you have the CCTV which the police can look at I would hope you would be cleared of any these allegations without question. Maybe a threat of an employment tribunal might worry them. go through all the normal grievance procedure guidelines keeping record, this way it can be shown you have done things by the book, Sorry to hear your having such a hard time and hope you get it sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Get down to some legal bods pronto, even citezens advice would be better than nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Yep CAB is a good first call. Keep a diary of everything, print off and keep any e-mails, ask for any conversation between you and your boss to be sent by e-mail to validate communications, and you do the same. If you are to attend any type of discipline meeting take someone with you, you have a legal right, have that person minute the meeting and get all people who attend to sign the minutes. The Equality Act is worth knowing about. Do you have a union in your trade? Look at this PDF file too, lots of good info. Acas Edited February 23, 2012 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Are you in a union? If not get legal advice. Maybe ACAS could give you some advice or Citizens Advice? Don't accept any warnings. I would have thought that if your complaint is against a certain manager then they defintely can't be involved in the process. Edited February 23, 2012 by Dr W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Get on to your solicitor as soon as possible.It's the only way to handle people like this. Find out what your rights,then stand your ground. People who make false allegations like this usually back pretty quickly,when a solicitors letter lands on their desk. Also keep a note of everything that has been said or done. I know someone who was victimised like this in their former job.... it not a nice thing to have to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayman Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Can citizens advice bureau help? I would just record absolutely everything with detail and any supporting copies of paperwork. If you have the CCTV which the police can look at I would hope you would be cleared of any these allegations without question. Maybe a threat of an employment tribunal might worry them. go through all the normal grievance procedure guidelines keeping record, this way it can be shown you have done things by the book, Sorry to hear your having such a hard time and hope you get it sorted. The above is good advice. Get a notebook and note everything that happens. It doesn't need to be word for word, just enough to record events, who was there and who said what. Do not disclose you are keeping this. Also recall any previous conversations, meetings, threats etc. Make sure you have a copy of your contract. If you were never given one, or never signed one make a note of that. Get a copy of the company disciplinary guidelines. There are set rules they must follow. Ask to see your current personnel record - they can't keep this from you - however, this is normally an unusual step for an employee to do. DON'T use company devices to access sites such as this - it ain't company business! If you are called to any more meetings to discuss performance take a colleague with you (obviously someone you trust). They take no part in the meeting but this should be allowed to you and they can be called at a tribunal should it go to that. This is not going to be an easy process and it won't be pleasant. As already said, get some qualified employment advice as they have seen plenty of this before and know what can and can't be done. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ring these people Acas Helpline Call our Helpline for FREE support and advice Whether you are an employer, employee or representative, you can call the national Acas helpline for free and impartial advice. Simply get in touch and we'll provide you with clear and confidential guidance about any kind of dispute or query that you have about relationship issues within the workplace. You may want to know about employment rights and rules, best practice or you may need advice about a dispute. Whatever it is, just give us a call, our team are on hand to respond within the hours below. Helpline numbers Monday-Friday, 8am-8pm and Saturday, 9am-1pm: 08457 47 47 47. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Firstly I am going to see someone tonight to see if I can get Police involvement in this matter regarding the sexual harassment. Also is it a criminal offence to make up such a claim when its totally untrue ? Also I do not wish to return to work at present as I feel I may have further false allegations set up against me, would getting signed off for stress effect my firearms licences in any way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Also I do not wish to return to work at present as I feel I may have further false allegations set up against me, would getting signed off for stress effect my firearms licences in any way ? No idea about that but if you're in a shooting organisation like BASC you could try them for advice. You could say that you're staying away whiile the proceedings are investigated. Also this is stress not depression so likely not to be an issue but that is only my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Also I do not wish to return to work at present as I feel I may have further false allegations set up against me, would getting signed off for stress effect my firearms licences in any way ? I would have to say very unlikely,unless your getting medication for it then they maybe more interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Firstly I am going to see someone tonight to see if I can get Police involvement in this matter regarding the sexual harassment. Also is it a criminal offence to make up such a claim when its totally untrue ? Also I do not wish to return to work at present as I feel I may have further false allegations set up against me, would getting signed off for stress effect my firearms licences in any way ? Not an offence against the person IE you, per se, but if the police are involved and it turns out fabricated, they may well prosecute for wasting police time. The person who has accused you, do they work for your company too? If so, a false allegation could be construed as harrassment and bullying. Please do as 3 or more of us have said, and contact someone to help you asap. You need the advice on what to do now, if you don't fulfil some of the responsibilities required by the Equality Act it can have disastrous effects if this went to Tribunal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mac22daz Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Sorry for the long read but its quite important! Right got a new manager in work causing a **** storm. Anyone who says anything against what she says is given an "official warning" and generally victimized. One man questioned her proposals and was dismissed. He then went down to the head office and was re-instated. Anyways I said in an email to the company head as I was told he was our HR dept stating the problems and how her behaviour was bullying and unacceptable. He pretty much did not want to know and she sent me an email say that SHE was now the head of HR dept and that the company boss was NOT to be involved. Anyways after my complaint I have very suspiciously received a complaint today about myself. Saying I approached someone when working on my stand, refused to let them pass. Demanded there phone number and would not let them pass until they agree'd to go for dinner with me. Its almost laughable its so ridiculous but obviously its VERY serious as I am being told that it counts as sexual harassment and warrants an official written warning. MY manager then mentioned that there is CCTV in the area. I told him then we need to get the footage as it proves my innocence, he was reluctant and told me only the Police would be able to get it. I stated good as I would personally like to get the Police involved and take it further. They told me I could not as it would tarnish the name of the company and would count as gross misconduct on my part. Although as soon as I mentioned taking it further with the Police the manager told me she would take my account and down grade my warning to a verbal. I then told them I refused to accept anything for the matter and will be seeking advice on the matter, I then told them I was too effected by the false allegations to continue and ended the meeting. Now I know 100% this or even anything even remotely close happened, they also said the woman had my business card yet I didn't give a single 1 out all day as I had left them in my car, I was also sat on a stool all day. Now I know they have just got someone they know to send this in to get back at me as they have forced out 80% of the original work force already and are using similar behaviour against other members that are left. However this is the most extreme they have gone so far. I am going to see a friend of mine who was in IA in the Police for over 30 years and asking advice about Police involvement, also don't know about returning to work. Wether dismissed or I give my notice I know my time is limited. I am however concerned as to what effect these allegations would have incase anyone ever wrote to them regarding a reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Sorry for the long read but its quite important! Right got a new manager in work causing a **** storm. Anyone who says anything against what she says is given an "official warning" and generally victimized. One man questioned her proposals and was dismissed. He then went down to the head office and was re-instated. Anyways I said in an email to the company head as I was told he was our HR dept stating the problems and how her behaviour was bullying and unacceptable. He pretty much did not want to know and she sent me an email say that SHE was now the head of HR dept and that the company boss was NOT to be involved. boss should get involved, they really dont like it when the trouble rolls uphill Anyways after my complaint I have very suspiciously received a complaint today about myself. Saying I approached someone when working on my stand, refused to let them pass. Demanded there phone number and would not let them pass until they agree'd to go for dinner with me. complaint needs to be in writing, ask for evidence. they should provide some paperwork, if not it looks really suspicious Its almost laughable its so ridiculous but obviously its VERY serious as I am being told that it counts as sexual harassment and warrants an official written warning. MY manager then mentioned that there is CCTV in the area. they claim to have cctv evidence, police might like this, as evidence, if any I told him then we need to get the footage as it proves my innocence, he was reluctant and told me only the Police would be able to get it. I stated good as I would personally like to get the Police involved and take it further. They told me I could not as it would tarnish the name of the company and would count as gross misconduct on my part. Although as soon as I mentioned taking it further with the Police the manager told me she would take my account and down grade my warning to a verbal. thats very suspicious, again you need to have written evidence of the complaint. they cant just dismiss a complaingt of sexual harrassment I then told them I refused to accept anything for the matter and will be seeking advice on the matter, I then told them I was too effected by the false allegations to continue and ended the meeting. Now I know 100% this or even anything even remotely close happened, they also said the woman had my business card yet I didn't give a single 1 out all day as I had left them in my car, I was also sat on a stool all day. Now I know they have just got someone they know to send this in to get back at me as they have forced out 80% of the original work force already and are using similar behaviour against other members that are left. However this is the most extreme they have gone so far. I am going to see a friend of mine who was in IA in the Police for over 30 years and asking advice about Police involvement, also don't know about returning to work. Wether dismissed or I give my notice I know my time is limited. I am however concerned as to what effect these allegations would have incase anyone ever wrote to them regarding a reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac22daz Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Sorry to hear whats going on clearly ur boss wants u out of the company and whats she has done is purely a set up.It happened to my wife without the sexual harrasment for 6 yrs and she resigned r u not in any union? if u r get them on to it straight away dont get the police because its u could come out worse as for ur sgc/fac u wont lose it as long as ur doctor dosent put u on antidepressants hope this help and let me know how u get on Darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 PW is great, but it really looks like the situation you have should be discussed with someone who knows about these issues, i.e a solicitor. I think it's past the point where an internet forum is the place to be taking advice and discussing it. Talk with someone who deals with these problems every day of their working career, they can tell you what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Are you in a union? Or can you join one today? They often cover legal costs and will give you advice Given what you've said, you need to do a damage limitation exercise as you are on the way out. The police are of little use in std employment issues if no laws are broken. Harsh I know, but gather all evidence for a legal case. Notes recordings, photo of this ' no passing this point' stool rubbish they made up. Show how someone can easily pass around that place. Print off your emails and keep at home. A business card proves nothing against you. ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I am not in a union unfortunately. I know they have fabricated this and its just a fix. I can't however prove it. Going to see some people, will get in touch with ACAS and see if they can help. If I get a solicitor involved I am worried that it will end up costing me alot of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Did she give you her number and go for dinner? :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Did she give you her number and go for dinner? :yp: Everyone who knows me know's its a false allegation... they all said I'm too tight to pay for a birds dinner now **** off Its serious lol Edited February 23, 2012 by Bigthug87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Are you in a union? If not get legal advice. Maybe ACAS could give you some advice or Citizens Advice? I cannot recommend ACAS enough I've phoned them today myself over a grievance I currently have at work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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