FAC shotguns and there conditions

[mr smith]

Wondering what conditions the police have put against your FAC shotguns and slug.Just got mine added to the ticket and it came with the condition(A9) which reads 'The shotgun shall be used for vermin control on any land over which the certificate holder has permission to shoot for this purpose with this class of firearm.'.Now i asked for vermin/target/practical which to me is not covered by the above,phoned them up and she insisted that A9 does cover it all.

Now the slug did not come with any conditions at all again she said they don't condition shotgun ammo even one that requires a FAC.

 

So what have you lot got on your ticket...........thanks.

[Scully]

Birds covered under the Wildlife and Countryside Act,even though I applied for it for the reason of rabbit control which comes under pest/vermin control.

[steve_b_wales]

I asked for crop protection for mine, which basically means birds. I'm not sure if I would be breaking the law if I shot a rabbit with it though. I'm not bothered, as I have a 'few' other weapons at my disposal.

[southeastpete]

Tikka T3 Lite .243 -T8 Mod, Shmidt & Bender 2.5-10x56 Zenith Scope

Sako 75 SS .22-250 - T8 Mod, Kahles 3-12 x 56 Scope

BRNO B/A .22 SAK Mod, Nikko Sterling Mountmaster Scope

Ruger 10/22 Stainless - Sako Mod, Simmons Aetec Scope

Lanber O/U MC 12 Gauge

Baikal O/U 12 Gauge F/C

Greener GP S/B 12 Gauge

Webley & Scott B/A .410

Belgian S/B Hammer .410

Weirauch HW90 .22 Air Rifle - SAK Mod, Nikko Sterling 6x40 Scope

Yildiz .410 S/S 3" shotgun.

Escort 3" Magnum 12 Gauge 8 shot FAC

CZ 452 American Varmint 17 HMR. DM80 moderator.Hawke Endurance 30mm 3-12x50 IR Scope.

Parker Hale Midland .308. Bushnell Trophy XLT 3-9x50 Scope. Dragon Moderator.

Air Arms S410 Xtra FAC.(.22) Hawke Endurance 4-12x50 Scope.

Winchester Xtra 1500 12 Gauge Semi Auto

 

 

a few?

[Dekers]

Wondering what conditions the police have put against your FAC shotguns and slug.Just got mine added to the ticket and it came with the condition(A9) which reads 'The shotgun shall be used for vermin control on any land over which the certificate holder has permission to shoot for this purpose with this class of firearm.'.Now i asked for vermin/target/practical which to me is not covered by the above,phoned them up and she insisted that A9 does cover it all.

Now the slug did not come with any conditions at all again she said they don't condition shotgun ammo even one that requires a FAC.

 

So what have you lot got on your ticket...........thanks.

 

That's interesting, I don't have a FAC shotgun, no need for one, but FAC conditions are reality, I will watch this with interest, if its on a FAC you can only do what your FAC says, it is no longer a shotgun as such on a SGC!

Edited March 3, 2012 by Dekers

[huffhuff]

Wondering what conditions the police have put against your FAC shotguns and slug.Just got mine added to the ticket and it came with the condition(A9) which reads 'The shotgun shall be used for vermin control on any land over which the certificate holder has permission to shoot for this purpose with this class of firearm.'.Now i asked for vermin/target/practical which to me is not covered by the above,phoned them up and she insisted that A9 does cover it all.

Now the slug did not come with any conditions at all again she said they don't condition shotgun ammo even one that requires a FAC.

 

So what have you lot got on your ticket...........thanks.

 

You got slug without having to specify why? That's unusual I think (certainly in Herts anyway)

[mr smith]

if its on a FAC you can only do what your FAC says,

 

 

yup pretty much how i would have viewed it.May be a case of my force taking the easy way out/reducing their paperwork.Will be selling off a rifle soon so will sort this out face to face then.

 

You got slug without having to specify why? That's unusual I think (certainly in Herts anyway)

 

 

I did tell them at the interview,but has nothing against on the ticket and when phoned they said they don't.

[apache]

If I remember correctly I have 'vermin and clays' against my unfilled FAC shotgun slot.

[mr smith]

If I remember correctly I have 'vermin and clays' against my unfilled FAC shotgun slot.

 

 

Only vermin is mentioned in the condition on my FAC but i asked for vermin+target+practical.But the police when phoned them they insisted i was covered for all three.

[apache]

I can check exact wording for you tomorrow but CBA to go out and bring cert in!

[mr smith]

but CBA

 

 

no rush thanks...............

[straightshooter1]

ok I have a FAC shotgun on my licence and solid slug ammunition

 

the wording that came back as it reads on my licence is as follows:

 

The 12 bore shotgun serial number ###### shall be used for shooting birds in accordance with the purpose,terms and conditions of the general licence currently issued by the appropriate authority under the provisions of the wildlife and coutryside act 1981

 

the 12 bore solid slug ammunition shall be used for shooting deer and for zeroing on ranges, or land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.

 

you should find this on the front page of your licence

 

Edited March 4, 2012 by straightshooter1

[mr smith]

you should find this on the front page of your licence

 

 

 

As posted this is whats on mine.....

 

'The shotgun shall be used for vermin control on any land over which the certificate holder has permission to shoot for this purpose with this class of firearm.'.

 

And this is all.No mention of target or practical and nothing at all for the slug.

[ChrisAsh]

My understanding is FAC shotguns are not allowed for shooting clays as there is no need for them in clay shooting

 

You buy a FAC for a perticular use which might require more than two cartridges in the magazine.

[Beretta28g]

My understanding is FAC shotguns are not allowed for shooting clays as there is no need for them in clay shooting

 

You buy a FAC for a perticular use which might require more than two cartridges in the magazine.

 

You could argue that you want to practice with the gun on clays so youre proficient with it before using it on live quarry.

[mr smith]

My understanding is FAC shotguns are not allowed for shooting clays as there is no need for them in clay shooting

 

You buy a FAC for a perticular use which might require more than two cartridges in the magazine.

 

 

Clay shooting is allowed but one wouldn't be granted for clays alone.You would need another reason to have one first.

[CharlieT]

My understanding is FAC shotguns are not allowed for shooting clays as there is no need for them in clay shooting

 

You buy a FAC for a perticular use which might require more than two cartridges in the magazine.

If you refer to the HO Guidance you will see that it mentions that once primary reason has been met clay shooting will be added to the conditions upon request, which is exactly what I did and have on mine.

 

Solid slugs should be conditioned for particular use.

[apache]

If I remember correctly I have 'vermin and clays' against my unfilled FAC shotgun slot.

The FAC Shotgun may be used to shoot VERMIN on land on which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. It may also be used for CLAY PIGEON SHOOTING

[steve_b_wales]

Tikka T3 Lite .243 -T8 Mod, Shmidt & Bender 2.5-10x56 Zenith Scope

Sako 75 SS .22-250 - T8 Mod, Kahles 3-12 x 56 Scope

BRNO B/A .22 SAK Mod, Nikko Sterling Mountmaster Scope

Ruger 10/22 Stainless - Sako Mod, Simmons Aetec Scope

Lanber O/U MC 12 Gauge

Baikal O/U 12 Gauge F/C

Greener GP S/B 12 Gauge

Webley & Scott B/A .410

Belgian S/B Hammer .410

Weirauch HW90 .22 Air Rifle - SAK Mod, Nikko Sterling 6x40 Scope

Yildiz .410 S/S 3" shotgun.

Escort 3" Magnum 12 Gauge 8 shot FAC

CZ 452 American Varmint 17 HMR. DM80 moderator.Hawke Endurance 30mm 3-12x50 IR Scope.

Parker Hale Midland .308. Bushnell Trophy XLT 3-9x50 Scope. Dragon Moderator.

Air Arms S410 Xtra FAC.(.22) Hawke Endurance 4-12x50 Scope.

Winchester Xtra 1500 12 Gauge Semi Auto

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a few?

 

Yes, a 'few', but I'd stop short of using the .308.

[sanibel686]

mine says absurdly; for shooting avian vermin and for clays at approved grounds carrying appropriate third party liability insurance

[CharlieT]

Mr Smith

 

I really do think that you should get back on to your firearms department and speak to the manager, this girl is truly quite wrong.

 

Before you do, have a look at the HO guidelines to familiarise yourself with the relevant passages and recommendations for conditions.

 

As your condition states vermin there is no way that even with the broadest of leeway one could interpret vermin to include clays and practical.

 

As far as slugs are concerned, as with all fac ammo, their use should be detailed in your conditions. Without such a condition it could be argued that you can possess them but not use them. The police are quite picky about slugs and I have yet to see a certificate that does not tie the use down to specifics.

[mr smith]

Mr Smith

 

I really do think that you should get back on to your firearms department and speak to the manager, this girl is truly quite wrong.

 

Before you do, have a look at the HO guidelines to familiarise yourself with the relevant passages and recommendations for conditions.

 

As your condition states vermin there is no way that even with the broadest of leeway one could interpret vermin to include clays and practical.

 

As far as slugs are concerned, as with all fac ammo, their use should be detailed in your conditions. Without such a condition it could be argued that you can possess them but not use them. The police are quite picky about slugs and I have yet to see a certificate that does not tie the use down to specifics.

 

 

I will be dealing with them shortly as i'm about to sell my .22hornet and i always hand in my paperwork so will do this face to face.It didn't seem right even dealing Tayside police as they can be a little relaxed on occasion,easy life and all that.