rapid basher Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 eveing all, i have been shooting on some new permission on the edge of a 2hacar wood and everytime go there and make the hide i see muntjac and roe deer. and can allso here them calling allday like a (barking noise) im wondering if its legele to shoot them with a 12g and or do i need a some kind of a culling license? abe pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 This should FUN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Deer enjoy the protection of the deer act. They may be shot with shotguns, with a certain load; but only in very specific circumstances. The law requires them to be shot with a centerfire rifle not less than .240'' anf irfing a expanding bullet. There is no culling licence needed but most police forces like people to have a Deer Stalking Certificate (DSC1) before they will grant a FAC for a deer caliber rifle. You will need to apply for a FAC to shoot those deer. Fantastic trolling BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 its legele to shoot them with a 12g In general terms... err......... no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid basher Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 ok fella"s thats cleard that one up .. looks like they"l after wait for a wyle thanks for info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Go on then, how many pages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshiretaxidermy Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Deer enjoy the protection of the deer act. They may be shot with shotguns, with a certain load; but only in very specific circumstances. The law requires them to be shot with a centerfire rifle not less than .240'' anf irfing a expanding bullet. There is no culling licence needed but most police forces like people to have a Deer Stalking Certificate (DSC1) before they will grant a FAC for a deer caliber rifle. You will need to apply for a FAC to shoot those deer. Fantastic trolling BTW. In England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) In general terms... err......... no! Why is it illegal?Show your source as ive always been under the impression it is if you meet the criteria for having to.Dont confuse your ethics with facts fella as they are two different things. http://www.shootinglaw.co.uk/articles/tools_for_the_job.doc Edited March 21, 2012 by sako751sg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid basher Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Why is it illegal?Show your source as ive always been under the impression it is if you meet the criteria for having to.Dont confuse your ethics with facts fella as they are two different things. right im geting confused now (ya or na) as for how many pages this will turn up i dont no but im clearly stateing a question only, after all thats what pw is usefull for right? Edited March 21, 2012 by rapid basher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 right im geting confused now (ya or na) as for how many pages this will turn up i dont no but im clearly stateing a question only, after all thats what pw is usefull for right? Check the link and it will tell all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) This was covered recently if you do a search you should find the answers to your questions Edit: HERE Edited March 21, 2012 by Dunkield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Why is it illegal?Show your source as ive always been under the impression it is if you meet the criteria for having to.Dont confuse your ethics with facts fella as they are two different things. http://www.shootinglaw.co.uk/articles/tools_for_the_job.doc For gods sake!! IN GENERAL TERMS it is illegal to shoot deer with a shotgun! One can shoot deer with specific cartridges under specific local conditions.... The OP talks about 'doing deer' whilst out on the pigeons... shooting deer with 32g 5s is not legal unless you are doing it to dispatch a wounded beast and even then I would argue there are more humane ways of doing it! The relevant section from YOUR link... "In England and Wales there are still those who, 35 years after the passing of the original 1968 Deer Act, regard a 12 bore shotgun as suitable for shooting deer. In certain, limited circumstances (where serious damage is being caused) it is of course legal to use a shotgun. S.7 of the Deer Act 1991 provides that it must not be less than a 12 bore. It may only be used by the occupier of the land and other specific categories of person when damage is being done by deer of the same species that are being shot. For example, it would not be legal to shoot roe with a shotgun if the serious damage was being inflicted by muntjac. As to ammunition for the shotgun, this must either be rifled slug of not less than 22.68 grammes (350 grains) or AAA shot." As far as I am aware, the last part... AAA shot or rifled slugs require specific authority on a FAC and then must be conditioned for deer on said FAC. Edited March 21, 2012 by Vipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid basher Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 This was covered recently if you do a search you should find the answers to your questions Edit: HERE thanks for the link dunkiefld after watching youtube slug fireing i wont bother takeing them out any more than 230yrds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 As far as I am aware, the last part... AAA shot or rifled slugs require specific authority on a FAC and then must be conditioned for deer on said FAC. AAA do not require any special licence, normal shotgun is fine. I have a box of 3" 50g AAA for the job. It is legal for the landowner to kill a deer with said 12g cartridge if need be. My land had a cul-de-sac in the deer fence where one could be trapped, distressed, and very difficult to move. Fortunately it never happened, the AAA would need very careful use as I'm sure they would travel a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 There are lots of laws regarding deer but unfortunatly they don't get enforced by the police, its the firearm you are using that they are really interested in. Personally I dont think a shotgun is a tool for controlling deer of any sort though I have found pellets in Munties and fallow, along with 22lr bullets. If you were driving down the road with a Munty in the back and only possessed a shotgun would a police officer take it any further if your license was intact, the majority of them wouldnt even know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) For gods sake!! IN GENERAL TERMS it is illegal to shoot deer with a shotgun! One can shoot deer with specific cartridges under specific local conditions.... The OP talks about 'doing deer' whilst out on the pigeons... shooting deer with 32g 5s is not legal unless you are doing it to dispatch a wounded beast and even then I would argue there are more humane ways of doing it! The relevant section from YOUR link... "In England and Wales there are still those who, 35 years after the passing of the original 1968 Deer Act, regard a 12 bore shotgun as suitable for shooting deer. In certain, limited circumstances (where serious damage is being caused) it is of course legal to use a shotgun. S.7 of the Deer Act 1991 provides that it must not be less than a 12 bore. It may only be used by the occupier of the land and other specific categories of person when damage is being done by deer of the same species that are being shot. For example, it would not be legal to shoot roe with a shotgun if the serious damage was being inflicted by muntjac. As to ammunition for the shotgun, this must either be rifled slug of not less than 22.68 grammes (350 grains) or AAA shot." As far as I am aware, the last part... AAA shot or rifled slugs require specific authority on a FAC and then must be conditioned for deer on said FAC. I think you will find most shooting is illegal in your "general" term.We need tickets for this and tickets for that and reasons for this and reasons for that.So please post facts to help the OP and not ****.I shoot red deer when im shooting roe deer with 75 grain Vmax,but amazingly i manage to carry 100 grainers and use them for the red.Just because the OP is shooting doos with 32g of 6s doesnt mean he cant carry a few appropriate for roe.You should check up on things and then post helpful insights,and since when has AAA shot required specific authority?Again please post a link as you are making this thread more confusing than it should be. Edited March 22, 2012 by sako751sg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Nom nom nom, everyone on the bait and chugging it down. The answer to the question originally put (having regard to context, the OP's previous posts / experience and spelling ) is just "no". Don't get complicated, don't bother explaining, the answer is "no". Now close the thread. Simples. Everyone happy and safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maidment78 Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 What about using a bow? That would be quiet and not scare the pigeons,,,,,, ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Very good Or a poisoned blow pipe. Or, you could do what any sensible person would, and that's get the right tool (rifle) for the job Nah, that would be just too straightforward and silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 are catapults legal on deer? If you use a big enough stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) I think you will find most shooting is illegal in your "general" term.We need tickets for this and tickets for that and reasons for this and reasons for that.So please post facts to help the OP and not ****.I shoot red deer when im shooting roe deer with 75 grain Vmax,but amazingly i manage to carry 100 grainers and use them for the red.Just because the OP is shooting doos with 32g of 6s doesnt mean he cant carry a few appropriate for roe.You should check up on things and then post helpful insights,and since when has AAA shot required specific authority?Again please post a link as you are making this thread more confusing than it should be. Now you are just talking complete ********... wind your neck in and go and troll somewhere else! You are making dangerous statements and potentially confusing those possibly inexperienced when it comes to shooting deer and the laws surrounding such activities... You are putting the OP at risk both legally and from a safety standpoint. Shooting Deer with a shotgun is only legal under very specific local conditions with very specific equipment and the shooter must have VERY good and VERY specific reasons for doing so.. You can't just 'carry a few appropriate shells' to take the odd deer that may cross your path whilst out on the pigeons. You would have to be be able to prove the damage being done and show that it was 'serious,' prove that it was that species of deer doing the damage and you would have to be the 'occupier' of the land. As has already been said... in the context of the original post and in general terms, it is illegal under the Deer Act to shoot a deer with a shotgun! Mods... as Mungler has asked, please close this thread before someone gets arrested/hurt! Edited March 22, 2012 by Vipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 That's a fair summation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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