sterling Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 In the quest for an interesting new rimmy, I came across the Tangfolio Appeal. An ugly bullpup which looks like a Walther G22. Nice choice of calibres - but as well as .17HMR and M2, they clearly list .17h&r. Is this a new .17 I need to have? http://www.tanfoglio.it/uploads/catalog/media/pag23appealnewjpg.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) Hornet and Remington......just a thought That has got to be one of the most butt ugly guns I have seen Edited May 9, 2012 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling Posted May 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Hornet and Remington......just a thought That has got to be one of the most butt ugly guns I have seen Hmmm, a semi .17 remington would be interesting but a whole world of overkill on rabbits and illegal in my neck of the woods to boot! You're right about its looks though - I hadn't been sick in my mouth for quite a while... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 different strokes for different folks as they say, not sure about the scope being 6" above the barrel though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Christ on a bike that's hideous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Harrington & Richardson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 That is one ugly gun! Look up the new Hornady Hornet if you want a cool .17 - I'm just in the process of having one made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling Posted May 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Harrington & Richardson I know they make rifles in .17HMR, but I haven't seen any sign that they produce another proprietary .17 round? I've pitched an email to Tangfolio so hopefully I'll get some info from the horses mouth. Obviously the semi .17 is verboten but if there's a newer light, fast, loud, expensive to feed round available - I'm game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Never heard of it. A .17 round based on the .32 H&R mag case, perhaps? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 strange how they thought appeal was the right name for it ;/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 I know they make rifles in .17HMR, but I haven't seen any sign that they produce another proprietary .17 round? I've pitched an email to Tangfolio so hopefully I'll get some info from the horses mouth. Obviously the semi .17 is verboten but if there's a newer light, fast, loud, expensive to feed round available - I'm game. It might be .17 Sako rather than .17 Remington. I think but I am not entirely sure that in the states they call the .17 Sako the .17 H&R but Tangfolio should be able to clarify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Interesting that the user manual only states .22lr and .22wmr with no mention of .17 at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling Posted May 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 strange how they thought appeal was the right name for it ;/ Maybe appeal is Italian for ugly? It's a curiously hideous little runt but if they chambered that thing in 5mm remington magnum, it'd be UK legal and I'd buy one today. I'd just squint whenever it was in direct view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Maybe appeal is Italian for ugly? It's a curiously hideous little runt but if they chambered that thing in 5mm remington magnum, it'd be UK legal and I'd buy one today. I'd just squint whenever it was in direct view. It wouldn't, unfortunately. The only semi-auto rim-fire's we are allowed are .22's. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling Posted May 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 It wouldn't, unfortunately. The only semi-auto rim-fire's we are allowed are .22's. J. Damn it, you're right - maths was never my strong point. 5mm is indeed .20 not .22 calibre. The heart wants what it can't have and living in the UK with a passion for firearms is terrible for my heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 Damn it, you're right - maths was never my strong point. 5mm is indeed .20 not .22 calibre. The heart wants what it can't have and living in the UK with a passion for firearms is terrible for my heart. It's an absolutely ridiculous state of affairs! Unfortunately, that goes for most of our gun laws. The key is to get as many people as possible interested in shooting. Politicians don't ban things because they are an actual threat to public safety, they ban things because they can score votes from it! If a million people (probably far less, actually) had sub .22 cal semi-auto rifles we wouldn't be having this discussion. In short - MORE SHOOTERS!!! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 It wouldn't, unfortunately. The only semi-auto rim-fire's we are allowed are .22's. J. Are you sure about that? The law only banned centre fire semi autos. At that time there was only .22 semis available so it was that or nothing. But the way I would read it if its rimfire its legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling Posted May 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) It's an absolutely ridiculous state of affairs! Unfortunately, that goes for most of our gun laws. The key is to get as many people as possible interested in shooting. Politicians don't ban things because they are an actual threat to public safety, they ban things because they can score votes from it! If a million people (probably far less, actually) had sub .22 cal semi-auto rifles we wouldn't be having this discussion. In short - MORE SHOOTERS!!! J. I hear you Jonathan. I'm about to send my own thread into oblivion, but here goes... Public pressure isn't always enough - remember the Iraq anti-war protests? One million angry people descended on London (the largest political protest in London's history). The effect: nothing. Now in the USA, the fact that there are such overwhelming numbers of firearm owners and NRA supporters does definitely cause their government to take public opinion seriously. Their NRA is infinitely stronger than our BASC or NRA and actually manage to make a serious political impact. So much so that Obama will actually come out in support of gay marriage and lose the entire Christian vote before he takes on firearm owners! If it wasn't for English history and humour, I'd live overseas permanently where all my fun toys are. The laws are no less rediculous in other countries though - I can shoot a .308 on my land because it has a nice walnut stock. The 5.56 however has a plastic stock and is therefore too tactical to be safe!? You can carry a glock on your belt in Minnesota but if you accidentally cross an imaginary line in the woods, you've just qualified for a long-term prison stay in Ontario. If you like common sense, you've chosen the wrong hobby! Are you sure about that? The law only banned centre fire semi autos. At that time there was only .22 semis available so it was that or nothing. But the way I would read it if its rimfire its legal. I'm actually not totally sure either. The only solid fact I have in front of me is that a .22lr semi is legal. Beyond that, I'd be guessing. Edited May 12, 2012 by sterling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 There would be a problem with a .17 semi. the ammo, its only made in expanding so you couldn't get one for range use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Your new 17 will be the 17HH, next year maybe. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 [ I'm actually not totally sure either. The only solid fact I have in front of me is that a .22lr semi is legal. Beyond that, I'd be guessing. When 17HMR first came out I wanted a Volquartson semi version. I enquired with my local licensing section who had to take advice. They advised that the law as it presently stands says the only calibers allowed in semi automatic are 22LR and 22WMR. It will need a full review and redraft of the firearms laws to get semi 17HMRs allowed. My thoughts are we don't want that. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 To clarify Section 5 of the firearms act 1968 defines any self-loading or pump-action [rifled gun] other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges as a prohibited weapon (ie section 5) therefore any semi (self loader) other than a .22 rimfire is a section 5 Weapon (conversely a .22 rimfire self loader is classed as a section 1. Hence any self loader other than a .22 (lr or wmr) is banned in the UK unless you have a sec 5/ sec5 RFD ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 Sterling : a note from Canada about change. We just got rid of the long gun registration law after a 16 year battle. Canada probably sits closer to the US gun philosophy than the UK but we had very poor lobbying skills years back. This changed and we made a difference in the last election. The law was changed because of us! I have followed your firearm laws for years and hope you also have a chance to return to some commonsense. We showed our opposition that we were not just a bunch of rednecks and farmers but a force to be respected. GOOD LUCK in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo23 Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 As much as I'd like a change to the restrictive law rguarding firearms, I doubt that it will, I'd love to able to own and shoot hand guns at the range, I also would love to be able to shoot machine guns at a range. These could all be controlled and be done probly as a arm of the army thus earn more money for governent, can't ever see hunting with semi auto machine gun being allow like the USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 Sterling : a note from Canada about change. We just got rid of the long gun registration law after a 16 year battle. Canada probably sits closer to the US gun philosophy than the UK but we had very poor lobbying skills years back. This changed and we made a difference in the last election. The law was changed because of us! I have followed your firearm laws for years and hope you also have a chance to return to some commonsense. We showed our opposition that we were not just a bunch of rednecks and farmers but a force to be respected. GOOD LUCK in the future You have to remember that we in the UK are up against some very organised opposition from anti groups, animal rights and the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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