rich_morris Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi All, What is the correct sight picture for a sporting shotgun. After a long break from the sport, I have broken out my beretta and wonder if I have the mounting correct. Should I be able to see the rib of the barrels (about 1/2"-1" in height if that makes sense) or just the bead at the end so the rib is essentially not visible? I do not look at either whilst shooting, but when dry mounting I see the rib above the barrels. Is this wrong? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) I was told if you put a pound coin at the end of the barrel face down you should see all of the edge of the coin and no rib. Works for me Edited June 8, 2012 by super sharp shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I don't like to see any rib but this is a can of worms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landyboy Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 personal preference ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Like magman says this is a bit of a can of worms, but a general rule of thumb is to place a £1 coin onto the rib 20cm from the breech and mount the gun. If you see the front bead sitting on top of the £1 coin then it's about right (apparently) Iggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 It's not what you see it's what you hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky T Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 personal preference ! +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_morris Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Thanks for the quick reply guys! Firstly - it looks like my estimation of size was poor. Secondly I need to practice consistent mounting! Looks like I can see les rib than I thought. Tried the trick with the pound coin 20cm from breech and it nearly obscures the bead on the end. Secondly - super shapr shooter - you are spot on it is what you hit, not what you see - i just need to hit a few more clays! I am a bit rusty after 15 years since shooting regularly. Cheers Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Like magman says this is a bit of a can of worms, but a general rule of thumb is to place a £1 coin onto the rib 20cm from the breech and mount the gun. If you see the front bead sitting on top of the £1 coin then it's about right (apparently) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Although I like to check poa on a patern plate as most guns mount differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_morris Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Utetok - 'im with stupid' not sure if that means you agree or disagree!!! Although I like to check poa on a patern plate as most guns mount differently That sounds sensible! I will try that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Thanks for the quick reply guys! Firstly - it looks like my estimation of size was poor. Secondly I need to practice consistent mounting! Looks like I can see les rib than I thought. Tried the trick with the pound coin 20cm from breech and it nearly obscures the bead on the end. Secondly - super shapr shooter - you are spot on it is what you hit, not what you see - i just need to hit a few more clays! I am a bit rusty after 15 years since shooting regularly. Cheers Rich Try to build up a sight picture in your head of the standard targets you will regularly come across and stick with that. This works for me when I shoot my usual o/u but if I change the gun then the brain remembers the picture but the gun isn't pointing in the same place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Utetok - 'im with stupid' not sure if that means? Err I think it means yeah I agree well that's how I use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 I was told if you put a pound coin at the end of the barrel face down you should see all of the edge of the coin and no rib. Works for me What happens if you place the coin face up :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 I often shoot from the hip and cannot see any rib or bead unless I look down and sideways, but then I cannot see the clay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 What happens if you place the coin face up :lol: You miss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddJob Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 If you have had some time away I would worry more about getting in some practice rather than the intricacies of gun fit. Knowing how to hit a clays will be rusty. You can also get someone to look down the barrels (when unloaded obviously) and see how your eye is lining up with the bead. Personally, I don't like much rib at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) Right first off have you got two beads on the rib ,one in the middle and one near the end of the muzzles? If so then the correct alignment should be to have the end bead sitting on top of the centre bead effectivley forming a figure of eight shape. Next mounting,keeping your eyes tightly closed mount the gun and settle in to your most comfortable shooting position now open your eyes and see where you are in realation to bead alignment,obviously the less you have to move to get the right picture(figure of eight beads)the better,now try the same exercise from a gun down position eyes closed then mount and swing as if in the field then open your eyes and see where you bead pattern is. Dont panic if its a good way off being ideal ,you are simply going to have to adjust your mount to suit which is where practice comes in.Personally i practice a couple of times a week(with an unloaded gun) in the house just following the coving joint on the ceiling until i can mount and have evrything in alignment the figure of eight and the imaginary target line as second nature, basically creating muscle memory. Hope these few little tips help mate,they where passed on to me by an old lad many years ago and have helped me no end. Edited June 9, 2012 by Jega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Personal preference again, but I look for about 1/8 rib showing over the highest point on the breech of my beretta O/u, never look at the bead but spend a long time mounting the gun and checking that it pointS straight at a mock target and gives me the 1/8 inch gap. I never knowingly sight, just bring up the gun and track with both eyes open. (assuming eye dominance is with you). As others have said - it works for me - just as important though is 'swinging' smoothly.` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) Right first off have you got two beads on the rib ,one in the middle and one near the end of the muzzles? If so then the correct alignment should be to have the end bead sitting on top of the centre bead effectivley forming a figure of eight shape. Next mounting,keeping your eyes tightly closed mount the gun and settle in to your most comfortable shooting position now open your eyes and see where you are in realation to bead alignment,obviously the less you have to move to get the right picture(figure of eight beads)the better,now try the same exercise from a gun down position eyes closed then mount and swing as if in the field then open your eyes and see where you bead pattern is. Dont panic if its a good way off being ideal ,you are simply going to have to adjust your mount to suit which is where practice comes in.Personally i practice a couple of times a week(with an unloaded gun) in the house just following the coving joint on the ceiling until i can mount and have evrything in alignment the figure of eight and the imaginary target line as second nature, basically creating muscle memory. Hope these few little tips help mate,they where passed on to me by an old lad many years ago and have helped me no end. If you only have one bead, make a figure of eight with your pupil Edited June 9, 2012 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 I think the advice to place a pound coin on it is about right, but I think that a lot of it is down to personal preference. It's not good to be seeing too much rib if it makes you shoot high, but a little is fine. Personally I don't like to see any rib, I like to look along the the gun and only see the bead, but that's just me. The main thing is that your mount is consistent, practice that and make sure that when you mount the gun with your eyes shut it comes up in the right place, that matters more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_morris Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Right first off have you got two beads on the rib ,one in the middle and one near the end of the muzzles? If so then the correct alignment should be to have the end bead sitting on top of the centre bead effectivley forming a figure of eight shape. Next mounting,keeping your eyes tightly closed mount the gun and settle in to your most comfortable shooting position now open your eyes and see where you are in realation to bead alignment,obviously the less you have to move to get the right picture(figure of eight beads)the better,now try the same exercise from a gun down position eyes closed then mount and swing as if in the field then open your eyes and see where you bead pattern is. Dont panic if its a good way off being ideal ,you are simply going to have to adjust your mount to suit which is where practice comes in.Personally i practice a couple of times a week(with an unloaded gun) in the house just following the coving joint on the ceiling until i can mount and have evrything in alignment the figure of eight and the imaginary target line as second nature, basically creating muscle memory. Hope these few little tips help mate,they where passed on to me by an old lad many years ago and have helped me no end. I have only one 'bead' (mine is a long square plastic thing), but having tried the trick with the pound coin, I think I do not have too much visibility of the rib. The rest of your advise is exactly what I have been doing, just not enough!! A family friend once told me exactly what you described even down to following the coving joint. Thanks again to all replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Interestingly I was told that alot of Americans like to see no rib but I guess that's a flatter shooting style ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I see about 2" of it. There really is no right and wron it's what suits and works for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 and remember if you can see the rib when you are taking the shot you are looking in the wrong place. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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