Terror Plot Rubbish

[the lizard]

FACT :

In 1994, a Japanese passenger was killed when a bomb hidden under a seat exploded midair on a Philippine Airlines flight. This flight still made a successful landing. The bomb was of the mixed liquid type.

 

Question -

Why has it taken governments & security agencies, etc. 8 (EIGHT) years to suddenly become aware of this ?

 

FACT :

weight-for-weight, Propane gas (when mixed with air/oxygen in the right proportion) is the most powerful chemical explosive known.

Propane gas is also the most common propellant used in cans of Hair Spray and similiar products.

(Google video "Potato gun" or "Potato cannon" to see this in action. Lots of clips).

 

Any self-respecting suicide terrorist could bring down an aircraft by going into the toilet cubicle; half-filling the cubicle with propane by a couple of minutes spraying from a full can, (or even less) - then simply striking a match.

Very big bang. No more airliner.

N.B. Until last week, matches & cigarette lighters were still allowed on flights - although smoking is banned.

 

Question -

Have all the Security and Aviation experts only just now become aware of this ?

(I don't think so.)

 

Question -

So *** is going on

Those politicians wouldn't be trying to con us, now would they ?

 

the Lizard

[kirky640]

food for thought my man

[lurcherboy]

Time out Lizard

 

You will start the whole thing off again

 

LB

[MC]

Lizard,

 

Question,

 

do you not think that the security at airports would notice one of our ethnic friends walking on to a plane with a calor gas cylinder under their arm?

 

And,

 

I could also probably come up with several ways of bringing an aircraft down if I wanted to but I wouldn't dream of posting them on a public forum.

 

Even if the government are trying to con us (which wouldn't be the first time ) I would rather a period of hieghtened security every now and again than planes dropping out the sky and more killing of innocent people.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[Dunkield]

Enough already, I am off on my holidays next week with my family - thanks.

[Baldrick]

I think anybody with a pyrotechnics/demolition/EOD background would question the statement that: "weight-for-weight, Propane gas (when mixed with air/oxygen in the right proportion) is the most powerful chemical explosive known". I will consult my Ladybird Book of Commercial and Military Explosives.

[henry d]

As a Conflagration Deluge Technician,I smelled a rat with the above so I did a bit of a search(as I don`t have my text books at home).

Gasses tend to have upper and lower flammable/explosive limits outside which they will not ignite,Butanes is 1.8 - 8.4% so filling a toilet cubicle is not the way to go about it,as that limit in a toilet cubicle would just scare old Abdul the terrorist when it went "pop".

It would take a lot to fill the passenger cabin to those limits and I suspect that someone would notice the smell.

 

Now if you were to use acetylene that would do the trick as it`s limits are 2.2 - 85%

But lugging a big maroon cylinder on a plane is a bit obvious.

Anyway suppose old Abdul manages to manufacture a can of hairspray with acetylene as the propellant,would the explosion blow him to the next life..............hopefully.Would it rupture the fuselage........doubtful.Certainly it would blow off the loo door and scare Gavin the steward(there`s always a Gavin)and you`d be left with tears and the smell of charred Abdul until you get to the land of the free or wherever you`re off to.

 

Just my slant on things boys and girls..........

[Baldrick]

I agree with your slant, Henry.

[Mungler]

I once ate a whole jar of extra spicy pickled onions - the gaseous result of that my friends could have downed a jumbo and then some.

 

Actually as it happens I went to the cinema with Mrs Mungler and cleared the lobby. I was like a wind terrorist - walking over to one side of the lobby to pretend to read a poster (quietly it was bombs away) and then over to another area of the lobby for another bombing mission. You could see little pockets of space opening up in the lobby where there were once people standing.

 

Mrs. Mungler was most embarassed.

 

In all seriousness, eat a jar of pickled onions and see what happens. I could not believe the results.

[henry d]

How big a jar are we talking and what kind......silverskin or the big chip shop ones??

[Mungler]

How big a jar are we talking and what kind......silverskin or the big chip shop ones??

 

 

Slightly bigger than a standard jar, tescos own brand extra spicey. Or it could have been Waitrose come to think of it.

[dazza]

where they silent but deadlys or like claps of thunder?

[Mungler]

where they silent but deadlys or like claps of thunder?

 

 

Silent and very deadly - an aroma of cess tank mixed with a wet compost heap with lots of grass on it.

 

But what surprised me was how much. I reckon I could have filled a small weather balloon with what was expended.

[the lizard]

Henry,

 

FYI

 

Propane (CH3-CH2-CH3) :

Vap density = 1.55

LEL = 1.7%

UEL = 10.9%

Auto Ig temp = 467 deg C.

 

If you check, I think you'll find that LEL for Butane = 1.4%, not 1.8%

(at least 1.4% would be the setting on a Gas Free Testing kit).

 

 

the Lizard

[henry d]

Not according to here http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/explosiv...mits-d_423.html

But hey lets not get into a fight over it

[MC]

Mungler,

 

If you were too add some picled eggs to that jar I reckon you would get a phone call from Bin Laden personally.

 

I'm not sure if evacuated cinema's are really his bag, but you could probably get a fortnights holiday in an Afghan training camp to show them what to do.

 

I reckon half a dozen extremists on a plane after eating that lot you would definetly notice the smell!!!!

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[Mungler]

Mungler,

 

If you were too add some picled eggs to that jar I reckon you would get a phone call from Bin Laden personally.

 

I'm not sure if evacuated cinema's are really his bag, but you could probably get a fortnights holiday in an Afghan training camp to show them what to do.

 

I reckon half a dozen extremists on a plane after eating that lot you would definetly notice the smell!!!!

 

Cheers

 

Martin

 

 

 

 

I always fancied some mountain climbing in Paikistan.

[Highlander]

Mungler... so after all you are just a big bag of wind

[darebear]

As a Conflagration Deluge Technician,I smelled a rat with the above so I did a bit of a search(as I don`t have my text books at home).

Gasses tend to have upper and lower flammable/explosive limits outside which they will not ignite,Butanes is 1.8 - 8.4% so filling a toilet cubicle is not the way to go about it,as that limit in a toilet cubicle would just scare old Abdul the terrorist when it went "pop".

It would take a lot to fill the passenger cabin to those limits and I suspect that someone would notice the smell.

 

Now if you were to use acetylene that would do the trick as it`s limits are 2.2 - 85%

But lugging a big maroon cylinder on a plane is a bit obvious.

Anyway suppose old Abdul manages to manufacture a can of hairspray with acetylene as the propellant,would the explosion blow him to the next life..............hopefully.Would it rupture the fuselage........doubtful.Certainly it would blow off the loo door and scare Gavin the steward(there`s always a Gavin)and you`d be left with tears and the smell of charred Abdul until you get to the land of the free or wherever you`re off to.

 

Just my slant on things boys and girls..........

 

yeahhhhhhhhh, i agree with what henry says.

 

( ? what did he say btw? anyone?)

[henry d]

I said..........women know your place.

[darebear]

I said..........women know your place.

 

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTT

 

whatever henry.

[Dunkield]

I said..........women know your place.

 

That will be the day . . .

[tosspot]

I once ate a whole jar of extra spicy pickled onions - the gaseous result of that my friends could have downed a jumbo and then some.

 

Actually as it happens I went to the cinema with Mrs Mungler and cleared the lobby. I was like a wind terrorist - walking over to one side of the lobby to pretend to read a poster (quietly it was bombs away) and then over to another area of the lobby for another bombing mission. You could see little pockets of space opening up in the lobby where there were once people standing.

 

Mrs. Mungler was most embarassed.

 

In all seriousness, eat a jar of pickled onions and see what happens. I could not believe the results.

 

 

why is it when you let one go, it's disgusting

 

but when they do it it's hilarious

[lurcherbrute]

Mungler... so after all you are just a big bag of wind

 

[Dave-G]

Well has anyone considered that weight for weight it aint very heavy?

 

So it would rank as one of the most explosive substances known to man