Whats the point of working sometimes

[huffhuff]

People don't always have children when they can't afford it. Often they already have a family when they fall on hard times.

 

When my son was born I was in the middle of my best ever turnover year, but thanks to the credit crunch and recession within 12 months it was my worst ever.

 

Can happen to anyone any time.

 

I fully understand and appreciate that (I'd imagine it probably happens that way more often than not). But regardless, in this case, the baby is there now... So get responsible and take whatever sacrifices are needed.

 

I'm not trying to sound callus or in any way, holier-than-yow. But some people's morals, ethics, sense of responsibility and overall chip-on-shoulder attitude really bug me (not you chimp, but it seems our generation in general).

[Paddy Galore!]

just to add though, why you thought it necessary to post it up on here is beyond me, you must have expected some flack, hope you get it sorted though can you appeal?

[Vince Green]

I think its a sad society when people who decide to start a family and then winge that they cant afford to keep them and expect tax payers to help support there kids,i am self employed if i dont work i dont earn,i just get on with it.

Its a sad society when people have kids in order to guarantee themselves a roof over their head and benefits for the rest of their lives. But thats what thousands do.

[guest1957]

I wish I was as perfect as some people here...

[storme37]

me to

[digger]

I was and still am looking for a roofer. paying £180 a day. met one guy who reckons he would lose too many benefits if i took him on. go figure!

[leeds chimp]

 

 

But (obviously that was coming), I cannot for the life of me see how you can bring this up when you have this as your signature;

 

a bad days fishing is better than a good days working..

 

CZ 452 silhouette Sound Mod and Bushnell 4-12 x 40 scope

 

Marlin 917VS, Custom .17HMR, DM80 Mod, MTC Viper 4-16x50

 

Breda 12G O/U Double Trigger non E/J shotgun--Gone to a better home

 

Benelli 12G 0/U Single Trigger E/J shotgun

 

Browning B2000 S/A 12G shotgun

 

Hatsan Escort Magnum S/A 12G

 

BASC Member

 

Slot for Shotguns so if you are selling please let me know.

 

 

Now I'm a very firm believer in "I earn the money so I'll spend the money". I think everybody should have a hobby and have a getaway from the daily toils of life. But when you have commitments, you drop these hobbies and become frugal and do what you can - surely Shirley?!? How many nursery sessions could you get if you sold that lot and cut back on shooting!?!

 

Again, I really think you're a nice guy so don't take it really personally. I'd have said the same to whoever the OP was.

 

Xxx

 

Point taken and well made fella BUT

 

 

Fishing---knocked the two sydis on the head when we moved it together and knew the little one was coming..use to be a tackle tart but not anymore..hardly ever go carping due to the overall cost of bait ticket etc ..now stick to free waters or cheap day tickets..if I get offer overtime more likley to do that than fishing

 

CZ 452 silhouette Sound Mod and Bushnell 4-12 x 40 scope..money left for after I worked away at a festival for 8 days and had paid off quite a few bills and the overdraph fees from buying our first house

 

Marlin 917VS, Custom .17HMR, DM80 Mod, MTC Viper 4-16x50..Paid out of car claim..rest went into saving and paying off bills

 

Breda 12G O/U Double Trigger non E/J shotgun--Gone to a better home..got it FOC from Bakerboy to get me started

 

Benelli 12G 0/U Single Trigger E/J shotgun..£150 special from a mate

 

Browning B2000 S/A 12G shotgun--FOC

 

Hatsan Escort Magnum S/A 12G Saved up for 4 months with overtime and got it second hand

 

BASC Member...rather go without beer than this!!

 

Its taken me nearly 3 years to build that up and would not add to it now..and if you remember I put a thread a bit ago about selling some fishing ad shooting gear to help us through when I had the time off work due to the eye ops

 

just to add though, why you thought it necessary to post it up on here is beyond me, you must have expected some flack, hope you get it sorted though can you appeal?

 

oh come on Gram you know I am more thick skinned than that

 

It was more t point towards the fact that benefits are given to the wrong people and wrong amount

[Thunderbird]

I was and still am looking for a roofer. paying £180 a day. met one guy who reckons he would lose too many benefits if i took him on. go figure!

 

Crikey he must be coining it in on benefits if he can turn that down!

[gixer1]

Point taken and well made fella BUT

 

 

Fishing---knocked the two sydis on the head when we moved it together and knew the little one was coming..use to be a tackle tart but not anymore..hardly ever go carping due to the overall cost of bait ticket etc ..now stick to free waters or cheap day tickets..if I get offer overtime more likley to do that than fishing

 

CZ 452 silhouette Sound Mod and Bushnell 4-12 x 40 scope..money left for after I worked away at a festival for 8 days and had paid off quite a few bills and the overdraph fees from buying our first house

 

Marlin 917VS, Custom .17HMR, DM80 Mod, MTC Viper 4-16x50..Paid out of car claim..rest went into saving and paying off bills

 

Breda 12G O/U Double Trigger non E/J shotgun--Gone to a better home..got it FOC from Bakerboy to get me started

 

Benelli 12G 0/U Single Trigger E/J shotgun..£150 special from a mate

 

Browning B2000 S/A 12G shotgun--FOC

 

Hatsan Escort Magnum S/A 12G Saved up for 4 months with overtime and got it second hand

 

BASC Member...rather go without beer than this!!

 

Its taken me nearly 3 years to build that up and would not add to it now..and if you remember I put a thread a bit ago about selling some fishing ad shooting gear to help us through when I had the time off work due to the eye ops

 

 

 

oh come on Gram you know I am more thick skinned than that

 

It was more t point towards the fact that benefits are given to the wrong people and wrong amount

 

I'd say you answered that pretty well

[storme37]

a bad days fishing is better than a good days working.. its obvious this is a joke and not to be taken as gospel

[Paddy Galore!]

 

 

 

 

oh come on Gram you know I am more thick skinned than that

 

It was more t point towards the fact that benefits are given to the wrong people and wrong amount

i know but in every one of your subsequent posts has you trying to justify yourself chap.

you know that "benefits" is a sore subject on here, i know you're a kinky ******* but i didn't think you got off on being told off

[leeds chimp]

i know but in every one of your subsequent posts has you trying to justify yourself chap.

you know that "benefits" is a sore subject on here, i know you're a kinky ******* but i didn't think you got off on being told off

 

:lol:

just guess many people on here has a job paying more than enough and have a big high disposable income and dont need a bit of help...

[spanj]

My son works off shore and his average monthly tax deductions are £2000. You should speak to him about people on benefits . I worked all my life and accrued a works pension and old age pension and I am still getting screwed for tax . Sorry not to much sympathy from me .

 

Harnser .

 

Then, Harnser, your sons a very lucky boy paying more in tax than a lot on here will gross each month !!!

[spanj]

Petrol is the killer for me. Over £100 a week when I secure a full weeks work, 50-80 hours when I can get it. keeping the thing on the road, maintenance, tax and insurance is abominable. That, a serious cut in wages and jobs being further away, I am looking at Tax Credits myself and it looks like I qualify.

 

Maybe then I can have a dog again, and a Holiday, drink more and take up smoking.

 

 

Which is obviously what tax credits are for

[gixer1]

Then, Harnser, your sons a very lucky boy paying more in tax than a lot on here will gross each month !!!

 

But in fairness he is most likely working an 84 hour week like a lot of offshore workers (the persons on ad-hoc contracts) not the rotations.

 

Regards,

Gixer

[huffhuff]

I think it's more a case of living within your means. Don't get me wrong, I've been down the wrong road plenty of times. But now I've paid back everything I owed (muchos muchos money), if I want something...I work for it. As chimp has done it seems...so I say again, fair play. But, If I found myself in a position where I needed more funds...on eBay I will go!

 

We've gone off track...possibly due to me. I'm clearly more pee'd off with somebody (close to me but not on here) than I thought and probably vented.

 

In answer to the original post - yes, the benefits system does sound a bit screwy if that's how it works. But I guess it's not much different than income tax. The more you work, the more you pay.

 

For the record, I don't have a particularly great job and don't get paid an extraordinary amount. However, I live within my means and pay what needs paying and just get on with it. If I want to do something, I save before I spend. I don't live on the never never plastic money (after paying off a hefty sum over 5 years). In fact, within the past few months I've had to sell stuff to fund my habits, sorry, hobbies!

Edited July 3, 2012 by huffhuff

[storme37]

why should the op not claim tax credits he probably paid enough over the years he would be fool not to claim it if he's entitled

[silpig5]

so many good replys matt , but i agree with gram , its a bit of a daft thing to put on here with out flack .

but to be honest i hate the benefits system as it is , dead against all easy hand outs personally . im a bit older (not a lot) than you and remember the family way of life in the 70's . if we didnt have it its because my parents couldnt pay for it in full , simples .

this isnt directed at ya but some apply

why do low income family's need more than one car ?

why do low income family's sadle them selfs with sky/smart fones / broadband ect ect ?

why do low income family's omly work a couple of hours ?

why do they think others should top up there wages if they cant make ends meet ?

why do this government give away millions to spongers ?

 

i now have a good business , but we still like not need amie to work , yes we have 2 cars, why ? because i would rather buy her a cheapy than have my merc in a supermarket !

trust me mate you are not the only person i have asked these questions to , i have fell out with a close friend over similar matters because i want to know why im paying for his rent and poll tax ! (he works cash in hand )

 

sorry for bluntness , but as graham said we all mates but you did ask for replies .

 

adi

[spanj]

Crikey he must be coining it in on benefits if he can turn that down!

 

Grass him up !!! Then offer him £150 as a lesson in economics

 

But in fairness he is most likely working an 84 hour week like a lot of offshore workers (the persons on ad-hoc contracts) not the rotations.

 

Regards,

Gixer

 

 

& thats his choice, as has been said elsewhere, we all make our choices ..........

[Alanl50]

You shouldn't have kids that you can't afford to support, this isn't Africa you know

 

In one, why should I or anyone pay for someone elses loin exploits, if you cant afford children dont have them.

[leeds chimp]

so many good replys matt , but i agree with gram , its a bit of a daft thing to put on here with out flack .

but to be honest i hate the benefits system as it is , dead against all easy hand outs personally . im a bit older (not a lot) than you and remember the family way of life in the 70's . if we didnt have it its because my parents couldnt pay for it in full , simples .

this isnt directed at ya but some apply

why do low income family's need more than one car ?

why do low income family's sadle them selfs with sky/smart fones / broadband ect ect ?

why do low income family's omly work a couple of hours ?

why do they think others should top up there wages if they cant make ends meet ?

why do this government give away millions to spongers ?

 

i now have a good business , but we still like not need amie to work , yes we have 2 cars, why ? because i would rather buy her a cheapy than have my merc in a supermarket !

trust me mate you are not the only person i have asked these questions to , i have fell out with a close friend over similar matters because i want to know why im paying for his rent and poll tax ! (he works cash in hand )

 

sorry for bluntness , but as graham said we all mates but you did ask for replies .

 

adi

 

And I will happy give it a go to answer them...

We have two cars my vect and her 4x4...this is because I work full time and she works part time...able us both to get to work and home as its no good using buses round here that stop after 6pm and then a taxi would be £20 from my work home

 

We dont have sky or BT vison...got a cheap freesat box when we moved in...dont have expensive phone contracts..£25 for both of us...had a home phone, free all time calls and broadband that is £25 a month all in..helps having the net at home for emails banking etc

 

I work about 50 hours roughly per week...lass works 20..this is down to child care costs simple as that...once he turns 3 and he can go to 15 hours a week lass will do more hours then to help and then we will be just about free of tax credits due to earning £24k a year.

 

The part about topping up wages is a hard one and would take too long to write..its more a case of whats the point of working when you get more on benefits ...thats the whole point of this thread. I did not see it as topping up our wage...more a chance for us to both work without having to worry about high nursery charges

 

 

why do this government give away millions to spongers....no idea and this is where it needs to start...giving Abbi with her 4 kids Mercedes, Chardanay, Brooklyn and Marri Ann MORE in money than the average family earn a week

[Paddy Galore!]

In one, why should I or anyone pay for someone elses loin exploits, if you cant afford children dont have them.

well sometimes accidents happen

and stop picking on my gimp! that's my job and i guard it jealously!

get your own god damned gimp

[Harnser]

Then, Harnser, your sons a very lucky boy paying more in tax than a lot on here will gross each month !!!

 

No, not lucky at all . All achieved by hard work and commitment . It has taken him ten years to get to the top of the tree and reap the benefits . Luck is winning the lottery .

 

Harnser .

Edited July 3, 2012 by Harnser

[leeds chimp]

In one, why should I or anyone pay for someone elses loin exploits, if you cant afford children dont have them.

 

oh I am sorry accidents do happen and dont believe in the other way "deal" with it

 

I could have walked away and let the state deal with it like some do but instead IO went and stepped up and dealt with it

[Penfolio]

A little off track from the original post but, here's my soapbox moment.

 

No doubt the benefits system is flawed but, I think it's a crying shame that benefits claimants should feel that they need to be offered incentives before they will go and get themselves into work.

 

I don't think it's right that benefits claimants should look upon their handouts as something that replaces the work ethic/wage. At some point society lost the plot; that benfits should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice. No one should be worse off when they go to work but, I don't accept that the 'job' has to pay more than the benefits package in order to make the job worthwhile. What's been lost is the morality that says, although I could stay at home and accept £x a week in handouts, I'll go out and earn the same amount and, I'll pay my own way.