richg Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Just sent a message to Chris Williamson the anti shooting MP for north Derbyshire, message reads, Fantastic news, GB Gold for Peter Wilson in the Double Trap. Hurrah for British Shooting. I just had to let you know straight away as i'm sure your as excited and as pleased as i am. Why not send him your message as well, he can be contacted at, info@chriswilliamson.org Edited August 2, 2012 by richg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Along similar lines.... Dear Mr Williamson, Just dropping you a line as I'm sure you are as ecstatic as I am about Peter Wilsons Olympic gold medal today and would want to send your warm congratulations to him and the rest of the GB shooting team? As I'm sure you are aware, Great Britain has a long and illustrious history in Olympic shooting and long may that continue as well as the freedom of individuals to practice their chosen sport. Regards, Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fo5ter Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 Here's to the next election! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richg Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 He replied, said he was delighted too and that he is not against target shooting, only live quarry and holding guns in private houses. I have replied, will keep you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry31 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Much better then holding them in public houses I would have thought but then again those lads dont have a licence to worry about and there live quarry are gangstas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 He replied, said he was delighted too and that he is not against target shooting, only live quarry and holding guns in private houses. I have replied, will keep you posted. He's a lying *******. This is part of his 'speech' to the Home Affairs committee on Firearms, after the Cumbria killings. In my view, the country would be a far better place if guns were completely banned and nobody was allowed to own them. I recognise that that might be a step too far at this stage, but it is essential that this Parliament takes action to address the gun culture in our country. It is a frightening statistic that almost 5,000 young people-5,000 children-hold a firearms certificate. What kind of message is that sending out to the country at large? I am a councillor in Derby as well as a Member of Parliament. In a park in Normanton in Derby, there was a tragic and fatal incident in which a young man of 15 years of age was shot dead with a gun. I accept that that gun was obtained illegally. However, when the law of the land allows 5,000 children legitimately to hold a firearms certificate, it sends a very bad signal. What a cornholer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I couldn't be bothered to email but I have posted a dog **** in a shoe box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I couldn't be bothered to email but I have posted a dog **** in a shoe box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapFiller Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I have also just sent an email to my local MP at Erewash. We will wait and see her responce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Along similar lines.... Dear Mr Williamson, Just dropping you a line as I'm sure you are as ecstatic as I am about Peter Wilsons Olympic gold medal today and would want to send your warm congratulations to him and the rest of the GB shooting team? As I'm sure you are aware, Great Britain has a long and illustrious history in Olympic shooting and long may that continue as well as the freedom of individuals to practice their chosen sport. Regards, Me The response so far is ... Thank you for your email. I am indeed delighted to see Peter Wilson winning gold for Team-GB, it really is great news and has assisted us in leaping up the medals table. You may have been misled about my views on shooting by pro-bloodsports organisations like the British Association for Shooting & Conservation (sic) who tend to indulge in dissembling in order to defend the indefensible. I am not seeking to stop people enjoying target and clay pigeon shooting. What I am calling for is: • A ban on the private possession and storage in domestic dwellings of firearms. • A mandatory annual medical test of everyone in possession of a firearms certificate to assess their ongoing suitability to have access to firearms. • A publicly available register of everyone with a firearms certificate. • The abolition of shooting live quarry for sport. I would welcome your support for my calls for these reasonable reforms. If implemented they would make our society safer and more compassionate, as well as allowing us to continue winning Olympic medals in target shooting. Best wishes Chris Williamson I have responded as follows... Dear Mr Williamson, I thank you for your response and am interested in the content of your reply. In particular I am drawn to the first statement, namely 'I am not seeking to stop people enjoying clay and target shooting...' However, this seems at odds with part of your speech to the Home Affairs committee on Firearms, after the Cumbria killings. 'In my view, the country would be a far better place if guns were completely banned and nobody was allowed to own them. I recognise that that might be a step too far at this stage, but it is essential that this Parliament takes action to address the gun culture in our country. It is a frightening statistic that almost 5,000 young people-5,000 children-hold a firearms certificate. What kind of message is that sending out to the country at large? I am a councillor in Derby as well as a Member of Parliament. In a park in Normanton in Derby, there was a tragic and fatal incident in which a young man of 15 years of age was shot dead with a gun. I accept that that gun was obtained illegally. However, when the law of the land allows 5,000 children legitimately to hold a firearms certificate, it sends a very bad signal.' You seem to advocate very strongly the complete banning of all firearms there, so which is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The response so far is ... Thank you for your email. I am indeed delighted to see Peter Wilson winning gold for Team-GB, it really is great news and has assisted us in leaping up the medals table. You may have been misled about my views on shooting by pro-bloodsports organisations like the British Association for Shooting & Conservation (sic) who tend to indulge in dissembling in order to defend the indefensible. I am not seeking to stop people enjoying target and clay pigeon shooting. What I am calling for is: • A ban on the private possession and storage in domestic dwellings of firearms. • A mandatory annual medical test of everyone in possession of a firearms certificate to assess their ongoing suitability to have access to firearms. • A publicly available register of everyone with a firearms certificate. • The abolition of shooting live quarry for sport. I would welcome your support for my calls for these reasonable reforms. If implemented they would make our society safer and more compassionate, as well as allowing us to continue winning Olympic medals in target shooting. Best wishes Chris Williamson Might as well give the crims keys to all our front doors too!! What a schlong swallowing cock goblin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 That’s 5000 children, who respect firearms, and are safe, sensible around them, and know how to safely use them. What a tool. He think them 5000 children are going to turn into 5000 armed robbers. the legal system should make illegal use very harsh, min 15 years in possession of illegal firearm etc etc. Its to soft, no one is scared of the police any more. He needs to focus on that side, not use who legally hold them, are trustworthy members of society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 That’s 5000 children, who respect firearms, and are safe, sensible around them, and know how to safely use them. What a tool. He think them 5000 children are going to turn into 5000 armed robbers. the legal system should make illegal use very harsh, min 15 years in possession of illegal firearm etc etc. Its to soft, no one is scared of the police any more. He needs to focus on that side, not use who legally hold them, are trustworthy members of society. im wondering is he the administrator on the ban guns website removing all posts pro shooting from pigeon watch members or his he related ,ting ting ting ting went the banjos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) The response so far is ... Thank you for your email. I am indeed delighted to see Peter Wilson winning gold for Team-GB, it really is great news and has assisted us in leaping up the medals table. You may have been misled about my views on shooting by pro-bloodsports organisations like the British Association for Shooting & Conservation (sic) who tend to indulge in dissembling in order to defend the indefensible. I am not seeking to stop people enjoying target and clay pigeon shooting. What I am calling for is: • A ban on the private possession and storage in domestic dwellings of firearms. • A mandatory annual medical test of everyone in possession of a firearms certificate to assess their ongoing suitability to have access to firearms. • A publicly available register of everyone with a firearms certificate. • The abolition of shooting live quarry for sport. I would welcome your support for my calls for these reasonable reforms. If implemented they would make our society safer and more compassionate, as well as allowing us to continue winning Olympic medals in target shooting. Best wishes Chris Williamson I have responded as follows... Dear Mr Williamson, I thank you for your response and am interested in the content of your reply. In particular I am drawn to the first statement, namely 'I am not seeking to stop people enjoying clay and target shooting...' However, this seems at odds with part of your speech to the Home Affairs committee on Firearms, after the Cumbria killings. 'In my view, the country would be a far better place if guns were completely banned and nobody was allowed to own them. I recognise that that might be a step too far at this stage, but it is essential that this Parliament takes action to address the gun culture in our country. It is a frightening statistic that almost 5,000 young people-5,000 children-hold a firearms certificate. What kind of message is that sending out to the country at large? I am a councillor in Derby as well as a Member of Parliament. In a park in Normanton in Derby, there was a tragic and fatal incident in which a young man of 15 years of age was shot dead with a gun. I accept that that gun was obtained illegally. However, when the law of the land allows 5,000 children legitimately to hold a firearms certificate, it sends a very bad signal.' You seem to advocate very strongly the complete banning of all firearms there, so which is it? I can't wait to see his reply to that. I think I'll have to e-mail him too, the more the merrier. Edited August 3, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 (edited) The response so far is ... Thank you for your email. I am indeed delighted to see Peter Wilson winning gold for Team-GB, it really is great news and has assisted us in leaping up the medals table. You may have been misled about my views on shooting by pro-bloodsports organisations like the British Association for Shooting & Conservation (sic) who tend to indulge in dissembling in order to defend the indefensible. I am not seeking to stop people enjoying target and clay pigeon shooting. What I am calling for is: • A ban on the private possession and storage in domestic dwellings of firearms. • A mandatory annual medical test of everyone in possession of a firearms certificate to assess their ongoing suitability to have access to firearms. • A publicly available register of everyone with a firearms certificate. • The abolition of shooting live quarry for sport. I would welcome your support for my calls for these reasonable reforms. If implemented they would make our society safer and more compassionate, as well as allowing us to continue winning Olympic medals in target shooting. Best wishes Chris Williamson I have responded as follows... Dear Mr Williamson, I thank you for your response and am interested in the content of your reply. In particular I am drawn to the first statement, namely 'I am not seeking to stop people enjoying clay and target shooting...' However, this seems at odds with part of your speech to the Home Affairs committee on Firearms, after the Cumbria killings. 'In my view, the country would be a far better place if guns were completely banned and nobody was allowed to own them. I recognise that that might be a step too far at this stage, but it is essential that this Parliament takes action to address the gun culture in our country. It is a frightening statistic that almost 5,000 young people-5,000 children-hold a firearms certificate. What kind of message is that sending out to the country at large? I am a councillor in Derby as well as a Member of Parliament. In a park in Normanton in Derby, there was a tragic and fatal incident in which a young man of 15 years of age was shot dead with a gun. I accept that that gun was obtained illegally. However, when the law of the land allows 5,000 children legitimately to hold a firearms certificate, it sends a very bad signal.' You seem to advocate very strongly the complete banning of all firearms there, so which is it? And so it continues... Hi Me, There is no inconsistency at all. I don’t believe people should be allowed to own and certainly should not be allowed to store firearms in their own home. That does not however, preclude people from participating in clay and target shooting where guns could be stored in a secure armoury on site. I hope you will accept that these lethal weapons can be and often are misused. If we minimised access to guns the number of needless deaths and injuries caused by firearms would be significantly reduced if not eliminated altogether. Can I therefore rely on your support for the measures I have called for? Hi Chris, so, how can 'In my view, the country would be a far better place if guns were completely banned and nobody was allowed to own them' allow clay shooters, pest controllers and the like to operate? They can't do what they do with a catapult, and if they did then no doubt someone would want to ban them as well. I fully accept that lethal weapons can be and often are misused, what I don't accept is that minimising access to guns would make a dramatic difference to this misuse. Most of the gun crime is carried out by people who have accessed weapons illegally. I accept that there are a few exceptions, but these exceptions tend to be the ones that make the news BECAUSE they are the exception. There are hundreds of thousands of legally held firearms in this country and the number of major firearms offences committed by licence holders in any year could be counted on one hand! There are more people killed by illegally carried knives than guns and in my experience (as a clay shooter), most licence holders are very aware that the grant of a licence is a privilege easily lost, and as such they go out of their way to ensure that they remain law abiding. There are many far bigger problems in society than legally held firearms, motorists driving under the influence/without insurance/unlicenced is one of the major killers in this country, or how about drug abuse? Would your time and undoubted enthusiasm not be better directed at a major issue like these rather than attacking a highly law abiding minority? I'm sure you'll understand that I cannot support your current stance as I feel it is a flawed persecution. Regards, Me. Edited August 4, 2012 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclay Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 (edited) "You may have been misled about my views on shooting by pro-bloodsports organisations like the British Association for Shooting & Conservation (sic) who tend to indulge in dissembling in order to defend the indefensible." I am not seeking to stop people enjoying target and clay pigeon shooting. What I am calling for is: • A ban on the private possession and storage in domestic dwellings of firearms. • A mandatory annual medical test of everyone in possession of a firearms certificate to assess their ongoing suitability to have access to firearms. • A publicly available register of everyone with a firearms certificate. • The abolition of shooting live quarry for sport. I would welcome your support for my calls for these reasonable reforms. If implemented they would make our society safer and more compassionate, as well as allowing us to continue winning Olympic medals in target shooting. Best wishes Chris Williamson I can tell you something, not even in communism where the leaders were afraid of giving guns in the hand of the people such attitude was not even close to what this guy has in his head! 1 Everybody was keeping their guns at home! 2)a five year medical test 3)Private gun license 4)Hunting was considered a recreational sport! That's true ,a background check was done by asking the neighbors about the behavior of the candidate for gun license and a clean police report was a must! I never heard people killing each others using shotguns or rifles, only accidentally, in hunting accidents ! Edited August 4, 2012 by Orangeclay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 He's a supporter of LACS and a member of Labour. I wouldn't give him the steam off my **** let alone engage in a discussion with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickthemiller Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 I understand he is going to ban the storing at home of motor vehicles next, you will have to keep them in a storage facility to look at and polish and take them to the local track to drive them but never take them on the highway because of the number of people killed and injured on our highways every year. Thats my rant. MIck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Along similar lines.... Dear Mr Williamson, Just dropping you a line as I'm sure you are as ecstatic as I am about Peter Wilsons Olympic gold medal today and would want to send your warm congratulations to him and the rest of the GB shooting team? As I'm sure you are aware, Great Britain has a long and illustrious history in Olympic shooting and long may that continue as well as the freedom of individuals to practice their chosen sport. Regards, Me I sent him an almost identical message on the 4th of August, but I've received no reply. I'm very disappointed, perhaps he no longer has the balls to sprout the utter rubbish he comes out with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Vehicles are often misused. Maybe they should be banned from private ownership? How many lives would be saved every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Vehicles are often misused. Maybe they should be banned from private ownership? How many lives would be saved every year? I have to say I cringe when I hear people spouting that one when trying to defend firearms deaths. It's a very poor argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) I never heard people killing each others using shotguns or rifles, only accidentally, in hunting accidents ! that's because you have handguns...... There is a movement to eliminate risk from life and undo evolution.......yes there are risks to life and limb gravity being a considerable one.....the statistics are massively skewed that deaths by firearms (legal and illegal) are minute compared to most other things....but are very emotive Edited August 10, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 I have to say I cringe when I hear people spouting that one when trying to defend firearms deaths. It's a very poor argument. Yeah, one of my good mates was killed by a drunk driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Yeah, one of my good mates was killed by a drunk driver. I'm sorry to hear about your mate fella, but it doesn't change the fact that the 'banning of cars and knives' analogy is inherently flawed. I would certainly agree that a few drunk drivers shouldn't be used as a stick to beat the majority of lawful road users, in the same way the actions of Derrick Bird, for instance, shouldn't be used to demonise all shooters. However, to compare guns with cars, or indeed knives, is a weak argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I'm sorry to hear about your mate fella, but it doesn't change the fact that the 'banning of cars and knives' analogy is inherently flawed. I would certainly agree that a few drunk drivers shouldn't be used as a stick to beat the majority of lawful road users, in the same way the actions of Derrick Bird, for instance, shouldn't be used to demonise all shooters. However, to compare guns with cars, or indeed knives, is a weak argument. Suit yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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