Anyone here had their motor remapped,and happy or not?

[JohnfromUK]

have a 330d which am considering....more about torque and fuel consumption for me as a new car dont want to blow it though!anyone recommend a firm for BMWs? on internet have run in circles...

 

I have a 335D - and did consider it - however;

1. Insurance would have gone up considerably
2. BMW extended warranty (which I have called on) would have been void
3. Some people have found it trips the 'limp home' due to overloading the gearbox
4. Any possibility of 'goodwill' from BMW in the event of a major problem (and it has been known!) would be gone

On balance therefore, I left alone.

[garygreengrass]

Had my disco td5 done,well worth the money.

[bubble]

I have a 335D - and did consider it - however;

 

• Insurance would have gone up considerably
• BMW extended warranty (which I have called on) would have been void
• Some people have found it trips the 'limp home' due to overloading the gearbox
• Any possibility of 'goodwill' from BMW in the event of a major problem (and it has been known!) would be gone

On balance therefore, I left alone.

I have ducato x250 on a camper done , excellent!

 

the installer said it would be invisible to fiat, should they check

 

recommended

 

 

mpg went from 20 to 23.6 mpg 18% increase, which is a lot of fuel over the year

 

able to leave cruise control in on motorways now as it will take hills in 6th gear, previously had to shift down to 5 th

 

 

Neill

[Hamster]

Anyone know why these aren't available via franchised dealerships ? I mean they seem to have zero downside apart from the cost so can't understand why you can't order your new X5 with a £300 extra portion of chips and get more power and extra 20% economy !!

[Del T]

Anyone know why these aren't available via franchised dealerships ? I mean they seem to have zero downside apart from the cost so can't understand why you can't order your new X5 with a £300 extra portion of chips and get more power and extra 20% economy !!

Warranty problems I guess. Cars are mapped to suit all conditions, fuel quality, service intervals, sensors going out of calibration etc. If they were to finely tuned then engine problems could arise if say you put a bad batch of fuel in with a lower octane.

[Hamster]

Warranty problems I guess. Cars are mapped to suit all conditions, fuel quality, service intervals, sensors going out of calibration etc. If they were to finely tuned then engine problems could arise if say you put a bad batch of fuel in with a lower octane.

 

There is no question there are problems with these otherwise they would be standard fitment, manufacurers are spending millions on R&D to try and squeeze every single ounce of power and MPG out of their engines and aerodynamics, why on earth would they ignore such talented wizzards who can remap their cars from their laptops within just a few minutes for a few hundred quid ?

[Twistedsanity]

There is no question there are problems with these otherwise they would be standard fitment, manufacurers are spending millions on R&D to try and squeeze every single ounce of power and MPG out of their engines and aerodynamics, why on earth would they ignore such talented wizzards who can remap their cars from their laptops within just a few minutes for a few hundred quid ?

It's not due to individual problems but the fact that countries are all different. Different ambient temperatures, different quality fuels , different emissions standards etc so the cars are made as a one size fits all(not to mention the tolerances allowed by the manufacturer when employing other companies to make parts) . If manufacturers were really concerned with actual MPG they would sack all the advertising staff and spend the money making all their cars from plastic . In America they actually fib about the BHP of certain cars for insurance and marketing purposes a camaro can never be seen or advertised to be as quick as a corvette regardless of how quick it actually is as that would hurt their sales figures immensely , they also promote cars as being less powerfull than they actually are for insurance reasons, we dynoed a completely stock camaro that it advertised by GM as being 320BHP and it is actually 410 . The owner was ecstatic and everybody else demanded a retest as they thought the dyno was knackered .

[will_gleave]

Anyone know why these aren't available via franchised dealerships ? I mean they seem to have zero downside apart from the cost so can't understand why you can't order your new X5 with a £300 extra portion of chips and get more power and extra 20% economy !!

Audi and Seat both offer them in the dealerships, i think what they do is have one engine different power outputs so they can charge more should you want a more powerful engine without going to the expense of making different engines.

[Hamster]

Power or MPG I can believe, together it's not going to happen.

[wymberley]

Thanks, All,

I was after a 173 XTrail but ended up with a 150. It's fine but sometimes a little more poke would be handy - not to go faster but simply to keep the same speed without having to change down - an all too frequent requirement down here in hilly Devon. The 'Blue' Quantum tuning is advertised to up the 150 HP to 178 and the Nms up from 340 to 390. I figure anywhere close should do me nicely.

[aris]

Anyone know why these aren't available via franchised dealerships ? I mean they seem to have zero downside apart from the cost so can't understand why you can't order your new X5 with a £300 extra portion of chips and get more power and extra 20% economy !!

They do. You know when you see the same model car, with two power options - but the same engine displacement. Very often the only difference is how the engine is mapped from the factory.

[Del T]

Power or MPG I can believe, together it's not going to happen.

It can happen. In the mitsi evo tuning scene its a regular occurrence. The standard cars run so rich a map tweak will often give more bhp and torque and give more mpg by leaning out the map at different points.

[Hamster]

They do. You know when you see the same model car, with two power options - but the same engine displacement. Very often the only difference is how the engine is mapped from the factory.

 

? Same engine capacity with different power options, can't say I've seen that. You often get different engines powers for manual V automatic or CVT etc, but to remap a car you're running the risk of shortening the life of some of the components and the engine itself, if that's the case then any MPG gain would have been in vain.

 

What I'm disputing here is that you can plug something into a 5/6 year old car and transform it's driving characteristics for the better AND gain power AND MPG, why on earth would Mr. Nissan not have done that himself ?

[Del T]

Yep, mitsi have been doing it for years. Fq 260, 320,340 and 360 all from the same 2lt engine.

[Hamster]

Yep, mitsi have been doing it for years. Fq 260, 320,340 and 360 all from the same 2lt engine.

 

I can see that now to be fair, I meant more for run of the mill stuff but in any case do the uber power versions do more miles to the gallon ?

 

Has anyone like TopGear for instance done a quantifiable test where they chipped a truck and got 20% more MPG and more power ?

[will_gleave]

 

? Same engine capacity with different power options, can't say I've seen that. You often get different engines powers for manual V automatic or CVT etc, but to remap a car you're running the risk of shortening the life of some of the components and the engine itself, if that's the case then any MPG gain would have been in vain.

 

What I'm disputing here is that you can plug something into a 5/6 year old car and transform it's driving characteristics for the better AND gain power AND MPG, why on earth would Mr. Nissan not have done that himself ?

 

You should take a look at the VAG engines you'll soon see there are 3/4 engines the same all with different power outputs, i doubt they make different engines for different power outputs its just not economical.

[aris]

It's a bit like CPU's - the same die is used for different clock speeds - and lots of people overclock slower CPU's, but at the cost of heat dissipation, and potentially longevity.

[sako751sg]

Power or MPG I can believe, together it's not going to happen.

You sound like an expert,so please explain why its not going to happen.Ive had it done,fuel economy is way better and power and torque is unbelievable to what it was,but you say it didnt happen?

[Hamster]

You sound like an expert,so please explain why its not going to happen.Ive had it done,fuel economy is way better and power and torque is unbelievable to what it was,but you say it didnt happen?

 

I have more than a passing interest but tend to need proof of things before accepting them as gospel. I have no trouble at all accepting you can use performance enhancing hardware and software to make cars faster but to make them more frugal at the same time needs more than just a remap otherwise manufacturers wouldn't spend hundreds of millions seeking better economy.

 

When we got our latest car we again went for the 3.0L option and the first 2 days it felt as though they had mistakenly given us the 4.0L because compared to the older 2010 model it felt crazy fast and capable……….until I looked at the fuel trip to discover I was averaging 16.9 !! You guessed it, someone had decided to deliver the thing in Sport Mode , sanity soon resumed when I put it in Comfort where it is now doing 33.2 (real) miles per gallon, the previous one did 30.3. I don't use Economy as it feels tedious but I suppose I should use it on motorways to see what it can do. Anyway it's all done by the flick of a switch and no doubt a remap, what it doesn't deliver is both power AND economy.

 

The 2.0 and 4.0 versions list predictably enhanced power / economy figures. I have no doubt that the new versions are being worked on now to be released in three years or so. Now, it took one of the worlds best car makers with labs the size of football pitches and 400 technicians 3+ years to squeeze an extra 2.9 MPG out of their engines and they have had to deploy things like Stop/Start, better aerodynamics and god know what else yet they could have just walked into some industrial unit in the Midlands and done a deal with some remap guru ??!! You don't honestly believe that do you ? There must be drawbacks to these mods, maybe they make old, slightly loose engines that are not as fresh as they once were feel a bit sharper who knows.

 

What I'd like to see is a TV programme where they take 4/5 typical trucks such as Mitsubishi or Discovery and measure their performances before and after, if the results indicate remaps are worth the risk then I will be happy to accept that.

[sako751sg]

 

I have more than a passing interest but tend to need proof of things before accepting them as gospel. I have no trouble at all accepting you can use performance enhancing hardware and software to make cars faster but to make them more frugal at the same time needs more than just a remap otherwise manufacturers wouldn't spend hundreds of millions seeking better economy.

 

When we got our latest car we again went for the 3.0L option and the first 2 days it felt as though they had mistakenly given us the 4.0L because compared to the older 2010 model it felt crazy fast and capable……….until I looked at the fuel trip to discover I was averaging 16.9 !! You guessed it, someone had decided to deliver the thing in Sport Mode , sanity soon resumed when I put it in Comfort where it is now doing 33.2 (real) miles per gallon, the previous one did 30.3. I don't use Economy as it feels tedious but I suppose I should use it on motorways to see what it can do. Anyway it's all done by the flick of a switch and no doubt a remap, what it doesn't deliver is both power AND economy.

 

The 2.0 and 4.0 versions list predictably enhanced power / economy figures. I have no doubt that the new versions are being worked on now to be released in three years or so. Now, it took one of the worlds best car makers with labs the size of football pitches and 400 technicians 3+ years to squeeze an extra 2.9 MPG out of their engines and they have had to deploy things like Stop/Start, better aerodynamics and god know what else yet they could have just walked into some industrial unit in the Midlands and done a deal with some remap guru ??!! You don't honestly believe that do you ? There must be drawbacks to these mods, maybe they make old, slightly loose engines that are not as fresh as they once were feel a bit sharper who knows.

 

What I'd like to see is a TV programme where they take 4/5 typical trucks such as Mitsubishi or Discovery and measure their performances before and after, if the results indicate remaps are worth the risk then I will be happy to accept that.

 

I dont know how they do it either but presumed you knew more as you said it couldnt happen.

The bit about it possibly being an old weary engine being juiced up a bit isnt right.I have had the Jeep from low miles,this is my third one and the difference is staggering,and i mean chalk and cheese.The old fella has the new style,the brother has the same model as mine and seriously it was like a different engine,and they can vouch for that.I dont know the long term issues if any but i can say both fuel consumption and performance is enhanced.How??Takes a better man than me to say!

[Hamster]

 

I dont know how they do it either but presumed you knew more as you said it couldnt happen.

The bit about it possibly being an old weary engine being juiced up a bit isnt right.I have had the Jeep from low miles,this is my third one and the difference is staggering,and i mean chalk and cheese.The old fella has the new style,the brother has the same model as mine and seriously it was like a different engine,and they can vouch for that.I dont know the long term issues if any but i can say both fuel consumption and performance is enhanced.How??Takes a better man than me to say!

 

If this remap thing works then in principal there should be no reason why it can't be applied to normal cars ? My 1.4 CVT Jazz on a 55 plate does 40 but I wouldn't say no to getting nearer 50 mpg.

Edited May 17, 2014 by Hamster

[kyska]

I don't get better mpg, but about the same, slightly better on a motorway run, I can only think you need less right foot because of the torque increase.

 

I got 80lb/ft of torque and 60bhp increase with my bluefin.

[wymberley]

Bit late to ask really as I've just booked mine in for next week. Son is well pleased with the improvements to his Transporter. Does anyone have a more recent opinion on the Quantum 'Blue' tuning?

**** **** ****. Well, that's that knocked on the head! AA insurance quoted a figure for a 173 X Trail and the same figure applied when I said, no, it's actually a 150. Consequently, I was not expecting a massive increase in premium for the tuning which would up the 150 ante to the 173 level, give or take. WRONG! My existing insurer would not play ball at all and the one that the AA found that would, wanted more than double my existing premium. I can sense a change in insurer coming on.

[kyska]

**** **** ****. Well, that's that knocked on the head! AA insurance quoted a figure for a 173 X Trail and the same figure applied when I said, no, it's actually a 150. Consequently, I was not expecting a massive increase in premium for the tuning which would up the 150 ante to the 173 level, give or take. WRONG! My existing insurer would not play ball at all and the one that the AA found that would, wanted more than double my existing premium. I can sense a change in insurer coming on.

As I've said, I got 60 bhp increase, I was quoted 50 quid a year increase.

[will_gleave]

**** **** ****. Well, that's that knocked on the head! AA insurance quoted a figure for a 173 X Trail and the same figure applied when I said, no, it's actually a 150. Consequently, I was not expecting a massive increase in premium for the tuning which would up the 150 ante to the 173 level, give or take. WRONG! My existing insurer would not play ball at all and the one that the AA found that would, wanted more than double my existing premium. I can sense a change in insurer coming on.

 

All our vehicles are remapped and declared to the insurance and no increases on any of them.