9/11 terror attack

[digger]

ok,going to get this off my chest and damn the consequences.

through the seventies to the early nineties marches were held in new york where tins were rattled and filled to supply the ira with funds.they were seen as freedom fighters,fighting a cause in the land of the fathers.

to the anal yanks it was ok to fund the murder of men women and worst of all children.

then when it happens on their doorstep its horrible,nasty,evil terrorists= lets start "wars" (its not war,in war you have a defined enemy).

lets forget the atrocities commited here and in ireland and wring our hands over a country that,at the end of the day,had it coming.

bring our boys back to a war that is on our doorstep,not in a country blair has been told its in where our troops are under-equipped and low on morale.

my heart goes out to the people who lost loved ones but a compilation video of ira attacks would make far more harrowing footage.

rant over

[henry d]

I have to say that the reasons why are lost on me however I can`t dismiss the documentaries on 9/11.

 

As a Firefighter I saw the look in those firefighters eyes and they knew they would die that day,they didn`t stray from the job they signed up for,they went into the World Trade Centre and tried to save as many people as they could.

 

Just an opinion not a knock at all.

[dazza]

ok,going to get this off my chest and damn the consequences.

through the seventies to the early nineties marches were held in new york where tins were rattled and filled to supply the ira with funds.they were seen as freedom fighters,fighting a cause in the land of the fathers.

to the anal yanks it was ok to fund the murder of men women and worst of all children.

then when it happens on their doorstep its horrible,nasty,evil terrorists= lets start "wars" (its not war,in war you have a defined enemy).

lets forget the atrocities commited here and in ireland and wring our hands over a country that,at the end of the day,had it coming.

bring our boys back to a war that is on our doorstep,not in a country blair has been told its in where our troops are under-equipped and low on morale.

my heart goes out to the people who lost loved ones but a compilation video of ira attacks would make far more harrowing footage.

rant over

 

well said digger

[Cranfield]

I have had this discussion with many of my American friends and most of them had never heard of the IRA, let alone put money in collection tins.

Most of them think that people from New York and Washington, aren't "real" Americans.

"Lily liverered, Lefty, do-gooders", is about the politest of the insults.

 

We visited New York when the twin towers were standing and went back there last year and sat in the Church at Ground Zero.

Despite seeing the evidence, its almost impossible to comprehend it happened.

The sheer physical size of it all is beyond belief.

[Dunkield]

I am so old my parents have a picture of me on the circle line boat with the twin towers being built in the background We went back years later and went up them as well the empire State etc.

 

On one of the many documentaries this week they mentioned each floor is an acre! you only have to see that a whole plane can fit inside a floor, wings an all, to realise just how big they were

 

As for the politics, digger you are right, I have been to Boston many times and that was a fairly IRA sympathetic town.

 

Also don't forget, Americans <generally speaking> are very niaive and not at all worldly wise, a huge percentage (70% someone said?) of them never leave the States, and their news channels are almost all USA news only.

[Guest jonrms]

Stuart,

I am american as you know.. I feel and blame the media for the lack of intellegance in the usa. They only show you what the goverment wants to be shown.. a bit of a communist way or attitude I think. I have been living in the UK for nearly 10 years now.. and I have to confess that in my first week of being here and watching the news I was SHOCKED I didnt realise how bad the press seems to cover up stories and only give half trueths .. if any truth at all!!!! I was in the United States Navy (special forces medic) anyway I had always believed that what I was doing was for the better and that we are all great and almighty... My views changed when I got out of the closet so to speak! .. and not meaning I am gay! I find it very difficult to watch tony blair and bush make such a *** of themselfs.... I think in Tonys defence he is much more edicuated than his counter part Bush! bush in my eyes is a redneck who still believes in exacuting people without any real investigations.... and this was proven just before his election as president. I have also a completly differant view on media.... as some know my brother did a awefull crime.. which I wont go into .. he was a man and accepted the full sentence.. despite being offered a reduced sentence... but my point is he was was made to be a horrible man. and also my family name was brought down to a unbelievable level... there was only about 1/4 truth involved in the media coverage.

911 was a horrible event... and even today we are all at risk of terrist activity.... putting tighter restrictions on everyone is a good idea in my books.. but there are still loop holes... we cant wrap everyone in bubble wrap and hope they will be fine... Sh""t happens.....Please dont feel I am being unsensitive.. I lost a good friend in 911 but I still have my own views.....Life is full of unexpected surprises and some good and some evil.... we can only do what we can to prevent such things.... War is a waste of time and is very useless.... I think the UN is a joke... as its mainly controled by Blair and Bush.... I hate politics.. but I hate hearing the same thing over and over... if they want the job done send in the US seals for a assignation, send in the Gurkas... stop all this billion pound and dollar waste and focus on improving the towns which suffer from poverty .... help your own! if the middle east wants to go to war with them selfs let them!!! so what about oil.. we have other reasources that can subistute oil with very very little modifcation to your engine....why not recycle the oil that is already in play ... instead of buring it in landfills.....

 

 

Sorry rant over.. but trust me I have alot to say on this....

 

some will agree (great) others will think I am a ***** for putting this on...( which is fine ) everyone has there own opionion.

 

so keep them rolling... no offence will be taken.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am so old my parents have a picture of me on the circle line boat with the twin towers being built in the background We went back years later and went up them as well the empire State etc.

 

On one of the many documentaries this week they mentioned each floor is an acre! you only have to see that a whole plane can fit inside a floor, wings an all, to realise just how big they were

 

As for the politics, digger you are right, I have been to Boston many times and that was a fairly IRA sympathetic town.

 

Also don't forget, Americans <generally speaking> are very niaive and not at all worldly wise, a huge percentage (70% someone said?) of them never leave the States, and their news channels are almost all USA news only.

[NorfolkBoy]

Quote StuartP

 

"Also don't forget, Americans <generally speaking> are very niaive and not at all worldly wise, a huge percentage (70% someone said?) of them never leave the States, and their news channels are almost all USA news only"

 

Its about 93% who don't have passports.

 

Theres plenty of foreign news on American tv........ mostly about Iraq.... or Posh and Becks...

 

Regards

NB

USA (with them but not of them)

[Hodmedod.one]

Sorry rant over.. but trust me I have alot to say on this....

 

some will agree (great) others will think I am a ***** for putting this on...( which is fine ) everyone has there own opionion.

 

so keep them rolling... no offence will be taken.

 

 

You don't come across as a ***** to me Jon.

 

You just seem to be one of a minority of Americans that live in the real world.

 

I recall your posts about your brother and how down you were when you wrote them. It is unfair of anyone, especially the media to criticise a whole family over the actions of just one member. Unfortunately this is the depth that they happily sink to so that their circulation figures stay high.

[Dunkield]

Theres plenty of foreign news on American tv........ mostly about Iraq.... or Posh and Becks...

 

 

Ok, so they report on wars they are involved in, and gossip

The passport statistic is even more worrying than I thought!

 

I was sat in a hotel bar in Malborough MA a couple years back watching the sports channel when an American guy won Silver in the Olympics.

 

Having watched the re-run and re-re-run of the race, the guy next to me, A Swede, said "did they ever say who got the gold?" and you know, I don't think they did!

 

Anyway, we had a couple of beers together and spent the rest of the evening watching the beach volleyball - and the whole world seemed a better place

[NorfolkBoy]

 

 

Theres plenty of foreign news on American tv........ mostly about Iraq.... or Posh and Becks...

 

 

Ok, so they report on wars they are involved in, and gossip

The passport statistic is even more worrying than I thought!

 

I was sat in a hotel bar in Malborough MA a couple years back watching the sports channel when an American guy won Silver in the Olympics.

 

Having watched the re-run and re-re-run of the race, the guy next to me, A Swede, said "did they ever say who got the gold?" and you know, I don't think they did!

 

Anyway, we had a couple of beers together and spent the rest of the evening watching the beach volleyball - and the whole world seemed a better place

 

I know what you mean.....

 

By the way who won the World Cup?

[jonno 357]

5 years on from the 11/9 ( english way of addressing date)

 

Do we all really care about it now ? I asked a few guys at work and they couldn't give a flying **** really now about it.

 

It was always going to happen given the history of the towers and the earier attacks

 

Jonno

[SNAKEBITE]

5 years on from the 11/9 ( english way of addressing date)

 

Do we all really care about it now ? I asked a few guys at work and they couldn't give a flying **** really now about it.

 

It was always going to happen given the history of the towers and the earier attacks

 

Jonno

 

A bit like the war eh? Who cares now? 20 million dead who gives a ****?

 

What are you a complete ****?

[NorfolkBoy]

Jonno "Do we all really care about it now ?"

 

No not really and the majority of the New York Metro area don't really either.... Life goes on.... 7/7... London Blitz....etc etc

 

I know some folk who lost love ones at the WTC, they've moved on - "handsomely compensated for their loss" - their words not mine....

[jonno 357]

5 years on from the 11/9 ( english way of addressing date)

 

Do we all really care about it now ? I asked a few guys at work and they couldn't give a flying **** really now about it.

 

It was always going to happen given the history of the towers and the earier attacks

 

Jonno

 

A bit like the war eh? Who cares now? 20 million dead who gives a ****?

 

What are you a complete ****?

 

Read my thread again

[SNAKEBITE]

5 years on from the 11/9 ( english way of addressing date)

 

Do we all really care about it now ? I asked a few guys at work and they couldn't give a flying **** really now about it.

 

It was always going to happen given the history of the towers and the earier attacks

 

Jonno

 

A bit like the war eh? Who cares now? 20 million dead who gives a ****?

 

What are you a complete ****?

 

Read my thread again

 

I have and got confused with the word "earier". Any clues?

[jonno 357]

5 years on from the 11/9 ( english way of addressing date)

 

Do we all really care about it now ? I asked a few guys at work and they couldn't give a flying **** really now about it.

 

It was always going to happen given the history of the towers and the earier attacks

 

Jonno

 

A bit like the war eh? Who cares now? 20 million dead who gives a ****?

 

What are you a complete ****?

 

Read my thread again

 

I have and got confused with the word "earier". Any clues?

 

Its called playing devils advocate Snakebite and its about getting people to bite very quickly when they don't read things correctly. I bit like the small print eh?

 

 

earier? thats just a typo

Jonno

[Hodmedod.one]

Jonno,

 

I have read your comments.

Snakebite has got you sussed.

You are a tw*t.

[SNAKEBITE]

No jonno, I think it is a case of a bit of back pedaling going on when you realised what you wrote.

 

If you are going to write somthing like that at least write "however this is not my opinion" at the end. I read it again and from it really sounds like this is your opinion as well.

[jonno 357]

NO SNAKEBITE.

 

Sorry to dissapoint you

[SNAKEBITE]

In that case I apolagise.

I should not have reacted in the way I did. It is just that despite all the hype around the terrorist attacks I am sick and tired of people blowing each other up.

[Mungler]

Got to admit Jonno, it was the charity auction thread and the bile you aimed at Jonrms that did it for me - just unpleasant for the sake of being unpleasant and in circumstances where there really just is no need.

 

But there we go.

 

Back on topic....

[Evilv]

Stuart,

I am american as you know.. I feel and blame the media for the lack of intellegance in the usa. They only show you what the goverment wants to be shown.. a bit of a communist way or attitude I think. I have been living in the UK for nearly 10 years now.. and I have to confess that in my first week of being here and watching the news I was SHOCKED I didnt realise how bad the press seems to cover up stories and only give half trueths .. if any truth at all!!!! I was in the United States Navy (special forces medic) anyway I had always believed that what I was doing was for the better and that we are all great and almighty... My views changed when I got out of the closet so to speak! .. and not meaning I am gay! I find it very difficult to watch tony blair and bush make such a *** of themselfs.... I think in Tonys defence he is much more edicuated than his counter part Bush! bush in my eyes is a redneck who still believes in exacuting people without any real investigations.... and this was proven just before his election as president. I have also a completly differant view on media.... as some know my brother did a awefull crime.. which I wont go into .. he was a man and accepted the full sentence.. despite being offered a reduced sentence... but my point is he was was made to be a horrible man. and also my family name was brought down to a unbelievable level... there was only about 1/4 truth involved in the media coverage.

911 was a horrible event... and even today we are all at risk of terrist activity.... putting tighter restrictions on everyone is a good idea in my books.. but there are still loop holes... we cant wrap everyone in bubble wrap and hope they will be fine... Sh""t happens.....Please dont feel I am being unsensitive.. I lost a good friend in 911 but I still have my own views.....Life is full of unexpected surprises and some good and some evil.... we can only do what we can to prevent such things.... War is a waste of time and is very useless.... I think the UN is a joke... as its mainly controled by Blair and Bush.... I hate politics.. but I hate hearing the same thing over and over... if they want the job done send in the US seals for a assignation, send in the Gurkas... stop all this billion pound and dollar waste and focus on improving the towns which suffer from poverty .... help your own! if the middle east wants to go to war with them selfs let them!!! so what about oil.. we have other reasources that can subistute oil with very very little modifcation to your engine....why not recycle the oil that is already in play ... instead of buring it in landfills.....

 

 

Sorry rant over.. but trust me I have alot to say on this....

 

some will agree (great) others will think I am a ***** for putting this on...( which is fine ) everyone has there own opionion.

 

so keep them rolling... no offence will be taken.

 

Well said that man!

 

I don't think there is one sentiment I would disagree with. America is a great country, with huge potential and power. Its every city has ten thousand better men than Bush, and it is only because of the control of media by the all powerfull dollar that the puny intellect of Bush could ever have been elected. He trots out stupid soundbites, such as, 'They hate us for our freedom.' 'No the don't,' I want to scream, 'They hate you for your foreign policy and the destruction you carry out and support in the Muslim world.' Is the world safer without Saddam? I don't think so - not at all. At least he had the country under his control. Now every kind of maniac can do as he likes there. What a mess. Why should other people's sons die for that? Be sure that neither Blair's nor Bush's kids will go anywhere near.

[the last engineer]

sometimes i shake my head at the heartless, thoughtless, and or misguided thoughts of some, has no-one here lost someone who meant the world to them ??.

 

im certain we have all shared greif at one point or another, some one close, a relative, someone known, a neighbour perhaps, regardless the loss is the same, having one of your best friends life wiped out by a drunk driver, having an uncle blown up in the Arsenal pub bombing, losing family is a given it dosent ,make it any easier, a man i never had the pleasure of meeting passed last year "Ernyha" i felt sick, why i dont realy know, maybe it was because i felt another friend has gone, and i know others here did too.

 

im not here to pick on anyone or start another ******* contest, but lookit thousands of people died that day, it was a tragic loss, take a second to reflect on the thoughts of those involved directly, the parent less children, the childless parents and husbands and wives gone.

 

i was at the time driving in the UK when the ferry "Herald of Free Enterprise" went down bow door open,disaster yes, pain and sorrow yes, should it have happened "no".

 

the phrase "lest we forget" come's to "my" mind every november, maybe it should also apply where anyone else thinks nessasary, just my opinion for what it's worth.

 

 

Martin

[.17 hummer]

there are sevral extremely important issues here. firstly i think we were taken to war fraudulantly by bush and to a slightly lesser degree by the puppet blair .saddam could have been removed without fuss from within. by an arab or clinical air strike. secondly im not one for conpiracy theories but there is a hell of a lot of weird stuff about the towers that simply cant be explained by the cia. eg why were planes allowed to fly over the most closely guarded air space in the world in the first place,

what happened to the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon? if you look at the footage you will see that there is no way a 747 disappeared into that building.where is the real plane?

why was every surveillence cameras on THE MOST SECURE building in the world all off?

an abc reporter was in an adjacent building to the towers after the first plane hit and can clearly be heard saying " get out get out there going to pull the building " pulling the building means demolishing the building with a controlled explosion that takes weeks to prepare.

why did the famous " lets roll "plane scatter wreckage over an 8 mile area if it hit the ground so hard according to the pentagon that 90% of the plane dissappeared into the earth.?

it was obviously shot down, if so why dont they admit it?

thirdly why on earth are we in afganistan at all? is it to stop the poppy production ?

is it to control the taliban?

our soldiers are paying too high a price to bring freedom and democracy to people who dont want it and hate us with a passion.

these are the same people who have a penchant for killing each other and not only beat the russians

but stopped the british at the khyber pass when we were at the height of our empire.

i believe the bush admin would have no qualms at all in lying to its public and being involved in the twin towers attrocity if they thought the end justified the means. but what is the end?

sorry about the rant fellas

[deadeye ive]

ok,going to get this off my chest and damn the consequences.

through the seventies to the early nineties marches were held in new york where tins were rattled and filled to supply the ira with funds.they were seen as freedom fighters,fighting a cause in the land of the fathers.

to the anal yanks it was ok to fund the murder of men women and worst of all children.

then when it happens on their doorstep its horrible,nasty,evil terrorists= lets start "wars" (its not war,in war you have a defined enemy).

lets forget the atrocities commited here and in ireland and wring our hands over a country that,at the end of the day,had it coming.

 

The 11/9 event certainly got the talking factions of the IRA around the table that's for sure.Do you think it was as a result of losing a major source of support and funding .

 

Did we have the support of the US in the falklands campaign ...........If we did then can the History books be re-written .

 

Never been to America and I won't judge Americans on the few i have had the unpleasant experience of working in a engineering enviroment with over here (Nestles @Hayes ,Budweiser @Mortlake for examples ) as that would be unfair as I'm sure the majority of them are polite with no chip the size of a Forest on their shoulder and just as dispondent with Bush as we are with Blair .

 

Jonarms your post indicate to me you are a rational and polite Gentleman and not a bit like the arrogant belittling ones I have met so far .............