denniswebb Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 As from 2013 the International board will charge a levey to use the name Fitasc in any registered discipline, i am not sure how they enforce it but it appears they can, a levy of £50 per ground will be charged, plus £1.00 for every shooter taking part in a named fitasc registered discipline. Years ago we had the same problem, hence the cpsa starting Sportrap and not shooting Compac. Fitasc is already an expensive discipline so i am not sure how this will go down. One thing is for certain we cannot raise funds to support teams and perhaps this is part of the answer. As the CPSA found levis are not a great idea. I think the answer is for shooters that shoot selection shoots only be allowed entry to the World and European events, the same as other sports. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 . As the CPSA found levis are not a great idea. Wranglers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 so basically anyone who uses the word at a ground has to cough up lol how silly! how are they going to enforce that then? it would be like hoover charging some one everytime they used another brand of vacuum cleaner but still called it a hoover a quid everytime they "hoovered" the car out! just plain silly if they do that all the grounds would have to do is call fitasc some thing eg: flippityfloppity and they would be quids in!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 As the CPSA found levis are not a great idea. I think the answer is for shooters that shoot selection shoots only be allowed entry to the World and European events, the same as other sports. Dennis Why? and I'm already beginning to regret asking ??? Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Andy you must know this one......As you have to come through your federation to be allowed entry to the World and European its stands to reason that you should really support your domestic federation. At this time its a first come first served basis, but its fairly unique to Fitasc and the CPSA , i have no doubt in the not to distant future you will have to qualify to enter as they get over subscribed, i have no doubt that fitasc will exhaust all other systems first to extract as much money as possible, but then it will be qualification in much the same way as The Olympic Disciplines, which you have to enter only if selected. If i was the International Board i would make it compulsary to shoot the selection shoots and qualify to enter both the World and European, the down side is someone may sue the board, so its all a bit of a mess at the momment, and would fitasc support that ploy, i can see a quota system at some time in the future, but the Board are at the end and run out of ideas in how to raise funding for team support, they have a not too clever history with sponsors, so its a sort of tax on the shooter. Dennis If you are not in a federation you cannot shoot these majors, as Graham Stiraker found out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 If you were only aloud to enter based on you shooting selection shoots would the major events get enough entries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted October 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 The root of all the problems is our selection shoots are a flop and have been for many years. I shot Barrow Heath last week end and the atmosthere was great, the shoot was spot on , the shooters were enjoying themselves and having a great time, every shooter there felt that he could have done better including myself, because the shoots was set for every class of shooter. I used to go to Fitasc selection shoots with 6 of my mates, they don't go anymore, its not for them, its way over the top , grounds far too often listen to a few moaning top shooters who gripe that the targets were too easy. You go to a selection shoot in France and its full with a waiting list, i remember going to Rabot with 600 plus shooters entered, just for a selection shoot with no prize money. Grimsthorpe was stunning this year but way over the top, we don't need that no more the Board has to focus on making the discipline a success first and dare i say it repleciate the discipline as intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Dennis its the cost and time not the targets that puts people off, trust me. Everyone said Grimsthorpe was brilliant,as usual as they do a great job. The targets are still being talked about now, tricky but not hard; enough to make you work for it but not break people. Its FITASC not skeet. The shoot you are referring to was won by my mate (who I have coached :-) ) on 99. That is neither Sporting or FITASC. Focus on making the cost sensible and reducing selections to 1 day, then you will see numers rise. Dont go for the quick fix of dumbing down targets, it will not work long term. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I would love to shoot some FITASC, but no way am I paying FITASC prices. Add in a 4-500 mile round drive and a night or two in a hotel and it's silly expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 It's the price that stops me shooting more FITASC as well, I can afford it just choose not to pay it. I expect a selection shoot to be on the hard side as do most I shoot with, so that never puts us off, but we can shoot a decent registered sporting for a fraction of the price and not have to book a hotel. For a major event I can justify the overall cost in my head as its something special, but for a selection shoot I would rather spend my money on something else and just do 100 sporting. Being able to shoot it over one day would make it more viable for a lot of people, I know anything I have to set aside 2 full days for is difficult for me because of family and work so unless it's a major I tend to give it a miss. If you made selection shoots mandatory I have a feeling all you would achieve is reduce the numbers of English shooters attending the world and europeans and it would have very little impact on the numbers for selection shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I don't think that an extra quid levy tacked onto FITASC entry fees will make any difference to most seasoned FITASC shooters, who couldn't really care less about the cost. A good many are Vets with loads of money, just take a look in the car park. What has always put me off shooting FITASC is the time it takes, imagine being on a 2 day selection shoot at a Godforsaken place like Southern Counties, having to start at 9.00am on the Saturday, (in the fog, of course), then knowing your final layout is not until 3.30 on the Sunday afternoon, (IF everything runs to time), you then face a 6 hour journey around a gridlocked M25, I simply couldn't do it, the very thought of it would drive most sane people absolutely nuts..!! Congrats to Pietro on a superb 99 at Barrow Heath, with better coaching perhaps it could have been a perfect ton..?? I shoot the ground now and again, what generally puts me off shooting it more regularly is that it's invariably 10 stands of 10, nowadays shooters expect a minimum of 12 stands. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted October 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 What did me with Grimsthorpe is many of the targets i struggled to see, i have to realise that age is not on my side and as half the shooters competing were veterans i would guess its much the same for them, its time to drop domestic fitasc selection shoots, i am not shooting next years selection shoots, having to at first struggle to see them and then to have lightening reflexes that borders on jumping the targets, its time to call it a day, stick to english sporting next year. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 You could say that cat , but in the wind every target is different and has to be thought out, english sporting always used to be 10 stands of 10, it always seems that grounds tend to make it harder when there is 14 stands , i an not a lover of 6 bird stands. What makes Barrow Heath a great shooting ground is the Mike Frankham and the ground staff, they all try hard to make it enjoyable for everyone no matter what the entry is. Its the same at Grimsthorpe, the Fitasc Selection shoot was tough but the work that all the ground staff put into the event was superb, but a lot of shooters went away with there backside smacked and that really is not what the sport is about, Mark Russell and the team need to consider those shooters of lesser abilities, half the entry was veterans, if that is a large section of your market you just have to cater for everyone. I have no doubt that the grounds reputation played a big part in the decline in entries which was a shame because it was a great shoot despite being tough. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denniswebb Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I sometimes do struggle to understand the mindset of ground owners and some shooters in insisting that just because events are selection shoots or premiour events then they have to be tough....We never seem to learn in this sport that we need every shooter to take part in it, registered shooting should be the aim of every clay shooter, otherwise why take up a sport with so many downsides if not to gain some real benifits from it. I saw one shooter who is getting on in years at Grimsthorpe going away dejected and saying that this was the last time, not because he had shot bad but he felt that the sport had got away from him and time to look for something easier.....We all shoot for different reasons, we attain a certain standard and most of us know our limits. Fitasc Internationally get it spot on, they wellcome everyone from every background, many of the countries taking part are novices and Fitasc know that and target selection offers everything for every level of the sport. The CPSA and the International board have to reflect on what there aims are and work out a better plan of action. Sporting is the breadbasket of the whole of shooting, if we are to see sustained growth then we need to get this right. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 I shoot the ground now and again, what generally puts me off shooting it more regularly is that it's invariably 10 stands of 10, nowadays shooters expect a minimum of 12 stands. Cat. Not being a registered shooter can you explain why say 100 birds over 12-14 stand is better than the same over 10 stands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 More variety. Less queuing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzurri Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Not being a registered shooter can you explain why say 100 birds over 12-14 stand is better than the same over 10 stands? Can't believe you even asked that.....Variety !!!! Doh Azzurri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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