Christopher Graffius Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I have been in touch with the lady, who has, in the past, spoken to BASC employees about her problem at various Game Fairs. We have offered to try to help -and have done so again in response to the postcards- but the lady refuses to identify where she lives or the shoot that has been bothering her. There are options through the the Committee of the Code for Good Shooting Practice for addressing problems such as this. The lady has confirmed that she has more reservations about shooting sports. It's clear that she is, or has access to a talented designer and that she also has access to considerable information on shooting sports. Given that she doesn't wish to press a complaint I would be cautious about engaging with her. My take on this is that no one should impose their culture on anyone else - and that includes homeowners imposing their views on those who own neighbouring properties. There is also a test of reasonableness but without the details it's impossible to assess the merits of her complaint or seek to achieve a solution. I would not be surprised to see this go wider in the future so it's important not to offer any hostages for the future. Christopher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 In the interest of good relations between shooters and the public I am willing to donate a pair of earplugs for every member of the household. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 filthy rich and clueless , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibspoon Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I couldn't help myself! Troll Gods, forgive me.... "After I read the front page of your website, I have to say I felt a real sense of frustration. I recently moved from a lovely house in the country into an industrial area in Birmingham. I can't believe the noise that some of those factories make. And everywhere I look, there are people! And the cars, don't even get me started on them. I moved into a house next to a school, and every day at around 0845am and again at 3.30pm, they appear in droves. When I moved to the city, I expected everyone else to stop doing what they normally do in the city and adopt my country habits. You have motivated me to start my own version of CommonDecency. I just need a name. the best I can come up with so far is "Common Sense". What do you think?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyD Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 After reading Christopher Graffius' post, I do not believe this is genuine. If someone was so bothered why wouldn't they identify the shoot. I think this a very clever and well constructed piece of 'anti' propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I couldn't help myself! Troll Gods, forgive me.... "After I read the front page of your website, I have to say I felt a real sense of frustration. I recently moved from a lovely house in the country into an industrial area in Birmingham. I can't believe the noise that some of those factories make. And everywhere I look, there are people! And the cars, don't even get me started on them. I moved into a house next to a school, and every day at around 0845am and again at 3.30pm, they appear in droves. When I moved to the city, I expected everyone else to stop doing what they normally do in the city and adopt my country habits. You have motivated me to start my own version of CommonDecency. I just need a name. the best I can come up with so far is "Common Sense". What do you think?" Genius haha!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 To be honest I read through most of her (or his) back story and I can honestly understand their frustration, I don't think many of us would want someone par-taking in an hobby we have no interest in just outside of our gardens (Say you had someone start playing the drums badly, or razzing about on a dirt bike twice a week for half the year). Her moaning about the rearing pen and the shadowing trees I believe are both fair and could both be easily changed to keep both parties happy. It sounds to be that it was the sort of situation where careful, friendly conversation would of sorted this whole thing out peacefully, but both sides just hunkered down and held there ground and this is what we are left with. On some of the shoots I was involved with we would try our hardest to work alongside members or the local village, hoping to keep as friendly as terms as practically possible for just this reason, It's good for the community and saves a headache. I think your reading it wrong. To me, it seems they are having a go at shooting, and the way to go about it for them is by telling of how much trouble it causes them - the talk they use of killing animals, loaded guns etc points to someone who is anti shooting, not someone who is bothered by the shadow of some trees. Also, even if the shoot did start there after they'd been there for 10 years, and even if they aren't anti shooting, I still think they're being daft. While I'm not suggesting people shouldn't make an effort to work in such a way to avoid disturbing other people, you can't live in the countryside and not expect people to do anything round you (such as farming in the early hours with tractors, shooting, spreading slurry etc) unless you buy every bit of land within sight and sound of your house, and do nothing with it. If people don't like any of the countryside activities that go on round their country homes, they can go to a town and avoid them. These people have no place in the countryside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 After reading Christopher Graffius' post, I do not believe this is genuine. If someone was so bothered why wouldn't they identify the shoot. I think this a very clever and well constructed piece of 'anti' propaganda. You're absolutely right. A little bit of digging and it looks like Animal Aid are all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 You're absolutely right. A little bit of digging and it looks like Animal Aid are all over it. Having read their posts on the face book page, they seem heavily against shooting, were supportive of the opposition to the badger cull and are regularly attempting to demonise shooters and shooting. You seem to be on the right tracks with your thoughts on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pboro shot Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 if the 1km rule come into play none of my shooting would exist including stalking as there is houses on estate plus i know of at least 2 shoots next door who would be finished the the idea just doesnt bare thinking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I have been in touch with the lady, who has, in the past, spoken to BASC employees about her problem at various Game Fairs. We have offered to try to help -and have done so again in response to the postcards- but the lady refuses to identify where she lives or the shoot that has been bothering her. There are options through the the Committee of the Code for Good Shooting Practice for addressing problems such as this. The lady has confirmed that she has more reservations about shooting sports. It's clear that she is, or has access to a talented designer and that she also has access to considerable information on shooting sports. Given that she doesn't wish to press a complaint I would be cautious about engaging with her. My take on this is that no one should impose their culture on anyone else - and that includes homeowners imposing their views on those who own neighbouring properties. There is also a test of reasonableness but without the details it's impossible to assess the merits of her complaint or seek to achieve a solution. I would not be surprised to see this go wider in the future so it's important not to offer any hostages for the future. Christopher Think I may be able to help you with her address. http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/commondecency.co.uk And yes, she has got a talented web designer...herself!! http://www.emmawood.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck duster Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) . Edited November 10, 2012 by duck duster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Is she not from Monmouth?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) im trying to look on google maps to find a house that looks like the one on her website... Cant find anything to match her map, and also in her website she says her name is Sue, not Emma. Its a fake as far as I'm concerned. Edited November 10, 2012 by southeastpete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Very strange. Technical services, kids social services stuff, an independant writer and a TV production company. Edited November 10, 2012 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Think I may be able to help you with her address. http://www.networkso...ondecency.co.uk And yes, she has got a talented web designer...herself!! http://www.emmawood.co.uk/ Very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The way I read it they have lived there for approx 25 years and the shoot started about 15 years ago, so they lived there before the shoot started. Looks like they live just off a road or farm road so complaining about rural employees driving up and down the road in the course of their job, seems unreasonable to be, it could be a free range chicken unit they would still have traffic. I think what really lets them down is the sheer hysteria of seeing some one with a gun, and seeing things die, as that’s the way of the countryside, a fox kills a rabbit, a hawk takes smaller birds, and we take pheasant! Basically they want the land owner to keep the land surrounding the house how they want it and forget that the land owner needs to make the land pay and this is how they have chosen to do it. They object to 'intrusions' if these where actual incursions on to their property this may be a point however all the 'intrusion' are people working or enjoying themselves on land they own or have legal access to that happens to be next to their house, how dare they! Shooting can be noisy there is no doubt of this, if this was their objection then they may get some sympathy but as shooting occurs in the day not sure if the EH would listen to their complaint. From the look of land I reckon the shoot probably shoots 10-15 days a season and not more than twice a week. The landowner informed them that a shoot would be starting, informed them that lots of trees would be planted, no need so had the common decency to let them know, I guess the shoot could inform them of shooting days, and the approximate time that the drive that is close to their garden would be shot, try and keep on good terms, offer oven ready birds or other endorsements to keep on good terms, there are lots of ideas for shoots to keep neighbours sweet. However I think this person would be one that has no interest in any of this as their objections are not just to practicalities and some of the genuine impositions, noise etc, but the sheer repulsion of seeing a man with a gun! Probably bloody veggies as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Well, after a bit more digging I don't think her name is Emma Woods. I think it's this woman. http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/cherise-emerson/1b/435/430 Her IP address and postal address are the same as the 'Common Decency' site. She's a writer, which would probably explain the website being written in the way it is, as opposed to being a factual account of what's happening. She does have a partner, who's a social worker and was the inspiration for the main character in her only published book. Her name is Zoe Wood. http://www.cjemerson.com/ Bit more about her here. http://www.allisonandbusby.co.uk/author/c-j-emerson Still can't find the 'cottage' though. I think it's a figment of an overly active imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Veggie-bians. Scissortastic EDIT She left London and business behind in 2001 and took an MA in creative writing, which she now teaches through her website Writing Forge. Currently working on her third novel, CJ lives in the Wye Valley with two border collies and four cats. Just the 4 cats eh? I would have guessed on there being a few more.... Edited November 10, 2012 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 This is the Stealth division of the multi-faceted Anti-organisation. Skillfully written so as not to be blatantly anti-shooting, thereby not antagonising more open minded people but sowing seeds of doubt regarding the alleged behaviour and intrusive aspects of shooting and its logistics rather than the actual deed of killing. If she had been quite as clever in keeping her personal identity and contact details private I would have been impressed. If by chance she received drunken phone calls at 3-00am every morning from those whose opinions differed from her own, it may help her to appreciate the relatively minor level of conflict with her peace the shoot inflicts upon her. Of course I could never condone such actions, they would breach Common Decency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Veggie-bians. Scissortastic EDIT She left London and business behind in 2001 and took an MA in creative writing, which she now teaches through her website Writing Forge. Currently working on her third novel, CJ lives in the Wye Valley with two border collies and four cats. Just the 4 cats eh? I would have guessed on there being a few more.... but it says in her website she has lived there for 25 years, the plot thickens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 She also says her name is Sue, and she's never used Facebook before (yet her personal Fb page shows she joined on 21/06/2007). Maybe she's just a liar? I reckon she moved there knowing there was a shoot, has grown to dislike it for whatever reason, and is now trying to cause trouble. Even her attempt to garner support with MP's by handing out her propaganda is flawed. I mean why would she use a false name on that? She's a mentalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 She also says her name is Sue, and she's never used Facebook before (yet her personal Fb page shows she joined on 21/06/2007). Maybe she's just a liar? I reckon she moved there knowing there was a shoot, has grown to dislike it for whatever reason, and is now trying to cause trouble. Even her attempt to garner support with MP's by handing out her propaganda is flawed. I mean why would she use a false name on that? She's a mentalist. my thoughts as well and the first pick was probably from the previous owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 She also says her name is Sue, and she's never used Facebook before (yet her personal Fb page shows she joined on 21/06/2007). Maybe she's just a liar? I reckon she moved there knowing there was a shoot, has grown to dislike it for whatever reason, and is now trying to cause trouble. Even her attempt to garner support with MP's by handing out her propaganda is flawed. I mean why would she use a false name on that? She's a mentalist. She's a writer of fiction - on more than one level it appears ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Creative writing at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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