aka_t50 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 ok guys so ive been asking about a rim fire scope. finaly my section 1 has been granted would like some advice on what gun ive been looking at the cz 452/455 but i dnt realy know what there like i realy like the lamminate thubhole but is it worth the extra cash? alsodo i buy new or look for second hand any advice would be very greatfull thanx Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 You won't go far wrong with a CZ tim. It'll probably last longer than you if you look after it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 You can get a new thumbhole 455 for £430 and a Normal 455 for £410 Both 16" varmint barrels.You can alsoget a 452 16" varmint normnal stock for £380. I was in the same position as you and opted for a new normal stock cz 455 16" varmint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I have now shot and handled a couple of 455,s. A long term 452 varmint owner i feel the Barrel is an improvement being a little thicker like a std c/f varmint taper. The trigger about the same but although the action is now steel and obviously more rigid and better looking than the old ali one that couldn't be blued- i do not like the adapted Magnum rimfire length however as much as the old LR std. If i was in the market for a replacement i should buy the 455 over any other new rimfire if it was a s/hand one then i should stick with the 452 mine has been a total tack driver and i should never wish to sell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Much depends on how how much you like thumbhole stocks? Personally they aren't for me. Pick a few up and try them if you can. Two scopes for rimfire that I can recommend are: Leupold VX-II 4-12x50 LR Duplex Scope . Small and light, no frills easy to use and great in poor light. Does all I ask of it on a .17hmr Anshutz Meopta Meopro 4-12x50 A bit chunkier than above. Fine reticle, good light gathering, clear picture. Ideal on my .22LR Anshutz Both are worth a look. I wouldn't go super cheap on scopes, but that's just my point of view. Good luck and have some fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 ok guys so ive been asking about a rim fire scope. finaly my section 1 has been granted would like some advice on what gun ive been looking at the cz 452/455 but i dnt realy know what there like i realy like the lamminate thubhole but is it worth the extra cash? alsodo i buy new or look for second hand any advice would be very greatfull thanx Tim Thumbhole stock is VERY unlikely to make any difference to your shooting, neither is long or short, heavy or light barrels in the field. For Field use there isn't one that leaps out, everyone buys what they want and tend to get on with it. I have no time for heavy rifles at all, there is no need for general field work, but some like them, fine, we are all different! So, the bottom line is, get what you want, but if you do intend to spend hours wondering around the field, maybe attaching a mod and bipod as well, just consider the weight before you invest your hard earned! What calibre? Don't bother with a Mach2, unlikely you will want a WMR (excellent though they are) so you are probably talking .22lr or HMR. There are plenty of both on the used market and plenty of very acceptable .22lr at low prices as well. HMR is not quite so easy, the tiny bore, difficulty (or lack) of cleaning, copper coats, etc mean you really should check a bit more thoroughly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Have had a cz 452 .22lr from day one. Can't beat them for value for money or accuracy! Have a lamping partner with an anschutz and his gun shoots no better(despite being double the price!) if your planning on walking rather than on a vehicle, std barrel every time, less weight the better! If mine failed me tomorrow I wouldn't batter an eyelid and just get another!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) I've got the 455 with cut down varmint barrel, moderator and thumbhole stock.... as a walking field rifle it can be a bit heavy, with this in mind I put a bipod on it making it an excellent stationary/hide gun, in 17hmr its awesome for this. However, I found that now having carried it alot I've got used to the weight and dont notice it so much unless after long periods in the field. I find the thumbhole stock incredibly comfortable and it fits me perfectly, I also find that the combo of heavy stock and shortened heavy barrel balances nicely too. I'm happy with the trigger and general quality of the rifle. Its a definite keeper for me... but then I've contrasted that rifle with a bare bones super light cz511 which I can carry all day without noticing Edited November 13, 2012 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiedenny Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 My 455 thumbhole had the best fittin stock I have ever owned but it was damn heavy and not great fun stalking. The 452 is just as accurate but the stock isn't as comfortable. Still excellent though. The American 455 is a really nice classic looking rifle but the synthetic stock on the style is great so try them in the shop and decide which one you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tod Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 You can get a new thumbhole 455 for £430 and a Normal 455 for £410 Both 16" varmint barrels.You can alsoget a 452 16" varmint normnal stock for £380. I was in the same position as you and opted for a new normal stock cz 455 16" varmint. whos selling them for 430 quid, looked all over before i bought mine and payed 459 from countrymans of derby though after i bought it south yorkshire shooting supplies would have matched it and there just round the corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) whos selling them for 430 quid, looked all over before i bought mine and payed 459 from countrymans of derby though after i bought it south yorkshire shooting supplies would have matched it and there just round the corner found them on guntrader or gunstar.Took the details allong to my local shop and they matched the price for my cz 455 standard stock 16" varmint which was £410 Also found the older 452 model 16" varmint for £380. Edited November 13, 2012 by Albert 888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 The varmint aint a heavy gun and in the short version its very well balanced, i can and do use mine one handed at times. I cant do that with a c/fire varmint rifle or any full adult size spring air rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliesims Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I have a cz 452 .22 varmint and a cz 455 varmint thumbhole in .17 the both great rifles the only difference I find is the thumbhole is slightly more comfortable to hold but that's about it really, you can always get a after market thumbhole stock anyway If you was to change your mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpy22 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 look at the savage.be warned though it could cost you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_t50 Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Thanks guys for the help still not sure i realy like the look of the 455 thumb hole but weight is the big worry think i will just have to find a local shop with one and go and try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) Thanks guys for the help still not sure i realy like the look of the 455 thumb hole but weight is the big worry think i will just have to find a local shop with one and go and try it Good plan, but make sure you try it against something like the 452 Silhouette, Style, even the American, ALL with a STANDARD barrel! You will notice, Heavy is down to the individual, some say the heavy isn't heavy, simple fact is it is heavier than the models mentioned. If you can deal with that or want that then fine. As I have said many a time on many threads I don't want it, and there is no accuracy benefit in the field, some just prefer it. I personally don't get this fascination for carrying around a heavier lump than you need to. I also make it clear that is MY view, there are other opinions, but Nobody will be able to out shoot a light barrel with a varmint barrel in conventional field work. "YOU" need to be happy, me, I'm just a tart and ALL my rifles are Light, and they ALL work fine! Edited November 14, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 theres no better or worse most of the time, just different and what suites the shoorter is what matters... what I would take from this thread if I were the OP would be that CZ do a good rifle.... then forget all the personal preferance stuff thats been mentioned and go fondle everything I can get my hands on until I find something that fits me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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