alendil Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 hello just pick up my .410 mossberg and wondering is there anything biger avalible like bb load. for thise 20-25 yards shot on charlie (or its not powerfull enough) and if home reload whats the bigest legal size of pelet. is there anyone around Darlington northallerton or Leyburn who is reloading carts to show me ropes. Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) see here http://www.buckandsl...cts/410lgs.html http://www.buckandslug.webspace.virginmedia.com/articles/410info.html only trouble they show plastic wads, but maybe fibre could be used too Edited December 19, 2012 by stubby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 If you want bb loads, did you not think of either a 28 or 20g as more apropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Btw so sorry for all speling and gramar mistakes On note of plastic wads as far as i am aware , people just put anything fibre or plastic in huschpower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 It's not really a sufficient gun for shooting foxes at range with : If you can load (or buy) BB or No.1 / 3 shot cartridges for it, then the number of pellets will be quite small, or for a bigger load, the recoil is going to be quite severe. From that, the accuracy will have to be very good to kill a fox at 25 yards or more. It can be done, but it's not really the right tool for the job If you wanted a bigger load, then you'd be better off with a 12 bore, or a 20 bore. I do use a .410 for killing foxes ... but they are in a trap, so it's a shot directly to the head at a range of 1 foot. Anything at range I use a 12 bore and Eley Alphamax 42g BBs. They do the job, but pack a punch in recoil too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 see here http://www.buckandsl...cts/410lgs.html http://www.buckandsl...es/410info.html only trouble they show plastic wads, but maybe fibre could be used too Unless I'm VERY wrong, those, loaded into a cartridge, would be section 1. They would also be illegal for use on any live creature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 i do have 12b its just something to have in pocket for emergencies. Last month i was around some barns with chickens in them and walk in to fox about 10-15 yards away, but have only 21g of size 9. so i didnt take shot at him. I know pelet number etc. but bb pelet traveling at 1200 ft/s is stil same power from .410 or 12b (or its just me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 10-15 yards away, 21g of almost any shot will drop a fox on the spot, or at the very least wound it so seriously that you would be able to walk up and finish it off. Yes, a BB load fired from a .410 will travel at the same speed as when fired from a 12 bore. But a 12 bore will be able to fire a lot larger load, so a lot more pellets Think of the number of BB pellets in a 42g Alphamax 12 bore shell, then think of a .410 - realsitically with an absolute max of 21g load. Half the pellets. At range, that means that your accuracy has to be a lot better to drop a fox. BTW, regarding those reloading slug shell links, something I found, buried in his small print ... These slugs are supplied as inert lead, non expanding and not loaded in any way and it is the purchasers responsibility to have the relevant documentation if intending to use them for hand loading in the UK. Slug and ball loaded ammunition is classed as firearms ammunition and as such requires a condition on a firearms certificate So, if you did buy those, and loaded them into shotgun shells, and if you were unlucky and got caught, you could expect to go to prison for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I you can get slug onto your ticket then you can use them on fox etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 if i am right its minimum of 6 pelets in shotgun shel in uk any thing lower than that its FAC. i will not risk to load anything wich is not legal , i like my tickets to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 is anyone loading any loads with size 9 pelets and are there any smaler pelets than size 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 is anyone loading any loads with size 9 pelets and are there any smaler pelets than size 9 Yes, 91/2, 11 and 12. Then you get what is called 'dust' shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 is shot in size 11 12 any good for rat closa range up to 8 yards or in 2 inch cartridge subsonic for pigeons in barn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) There are a number of no9's loads available in 410 at www.justcartridges.com Gamebore, Eley, Lyevale up to about 19 gram I think, you will probably find a better pattern with 14 gram 2.5 inch cartridges than the 3 inch magnums Edited December 20, 2012 by ChrisAsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Brian Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 For large pellets in the .410 there is a Chapter in Climbing the North face of the .410 concerned with slugs and multiple large pellet loads. Can't really tell you much more as I didn't read that bit through properly (not my thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 so far my math is not working. is there any one who is reloading and can post specific prices per primer , wad , shot (about 15 gr) and powder. i am strugling to see worthwile reloading .410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Someone posted a while ago that they could reload .410 for about £3.00 a box. Prices have moved up a fair bit though, and unless you were doing it in very large numbers, I doubt you would get much less than £4.00 per box. Of course, the REAL advantage of homeloading for .410 is that you can create the load you want, for the gun you have. If you've only got a 2.5 inch chambered gun, you can still create a subsonic hush load for it, but if buying pre-made, you can only get those in 3" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 if you google shotshell calculator you will come up with sites where you input your powder/ lead prices etc and it works out the costs per shell, just insert sterling for dollars and it will work (written by American i guess) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) Primers 3pwad 1.5 ppowder 15 grains 3,9 pshot 14 grams 4.1 p 5.1 p for 19.5 grams= 12.5 p |* 25 = £3.13.5 per box @ 14 grams £3.37 @19.5 gramsuse home made lead £2.60 per 25Thats why we do itDeershooterprimers Siarm £30 per 1000wad Siarm £15 per 1000powder £39 per kg 1025 per kg @15grainsShot £2.88 per Kg (if purchased in in bulk ) Edited December 22, 2012 by deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alendil Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Sorry it is so long after but thank you for reply. where about is best place to get all stuff.( i am in Darlington) how many times i can re-load once fired hull. what sort of wad is that fibre or plast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidelockshooter Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 so far my math is not working. is there any one who is reloading and can post specific prices per primer , wad , shot (about 15 gr) and powder. i am strugling to see worthwile reloading .410 I home load .410 shells, for my Mossberg 500 Hushpower gun, plastic wads are apparently iffy in moderators, so you need to use cork wad fillers, and crimp the 2.5" & 3" magnums. If you have another gun, or lucky enough to have the two barrel version, you can use the roll over crimp & over shot card, aswell as plastic wads of course! Once I upload some pics onto a hosting site, I'll gladly share what little I know with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 hello just pick up my .410 mossberg and wondering is there anything biger avalible like bb load. for thise 20-25 yards shot on charlie (or its not powerfull enough) and if home reload whats the bigest legal size of pelet. is there anyone around Darlington northallerton or Leyburn who is reloading carts to show me ropes. Thank You You wont get enough BB in to make things worthwhile IMO. you can shoot a single large shot with energy similar to a .22 Hornet or just two or three (FAC allowing), though you might just want to keep ranges far closer and use a std no.5 or 6. I have been amazed at what a .410 will do within its range limitations with a std shell but stretch it just a yard or two too far....... I might guess at 15yds it will kill the life out of any fox hit broadside in the chest yet at 20+ you will see a very steep clime in wounding. Something more for working a trap line than out looking for fox IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 A bit cheesy, but this video tests some interesting ammo in a 410 handgun: Should give you an idea of what is available. It looks like you can put five 000 pellets in a 3" 410 cartridge- which i'm assuming would mean you do not need FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Unless I'm VERY wrong, those, loaded into a cartridge, would be section 1. They would also be illegal for use on any live creature. Your not wrong , illegal to use on SGC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 if i am right its minimum of 6 pelets in shotgun shel in uk any thing lower than that its FAC. i will not risk to load anything wich is not legal , i like my tickets to much. No, minimum of 5 pellets, of a maximum size 0.36" in diameter. American 000 buck shot is 0.36" in diameter: http://www.hallowellco.com/shot_size_chart.htm So if you could put 5 of them in a 3" .410 shell (and I think you can), this would be legal without an FAC I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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