kdubya Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 If this is proven to be correct, throats may at last be gripped firmly enough to bring them back in line, a bunch of banana's are straighter, it gets no worse than fabricating a statement with the result of bringing down a serving minister, is the tower of London chopping block still available an airing looks imminent. KW http://news.uk.msn.com/comment-and-analysis/andrew-mitchell-and-plebgate-why-it-now-looks-like-a-stitch-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 It's a funny old one that does actually need looking into and in depth. If it's a police conspiracy or the police ganging up on a Minister then it's all been very poorly thought out. I reckon the copper that came forward pretending to be a Joe Public bystander and witness maybe a Walt and not connected. So, we have a serving copper pretending to me a member of the public and a witness to "pleb-gate" - surely that all falls over very quickly and easily when the "witness" is asked to come forward and give a statement and turns up in a police uniform. Not exactly plan of the century. Coppers possibly telling porkies and a Minister who doesn't come across as being particularly straightforward? What a heady mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 One of them appears to be dishonest. Mitchell - who now appears to be trying to cast himself in the role of victim - has always refused to say exactly what he did say. I wonder why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) If proven, very very worrying. Lying to drive a serving minister out of the job, and then using the PR machine to ensure it happened is pretty low. Edit: Some insight here: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2012/12/was-andrew-mitchell-framed/ Edited December 19, 2012 by guest1957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Disappointed after reading the title, thought it was something to do with activity on one of your permitions. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100194957/andrew-mitchell-the-conservatives-and-the-police-who-are-tories-really-angry-at/ A bit more balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Found this bit in the comments. Who to believe, the police or the politician? Tough call when you consider neither can be trusted to tell the truth. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://blogs.telegra...eally-angry-at/ A bit more balanced. so is this "balanced" A police officer was accused yesterday of masquerading as a member of the public and lying to help force the resignation of the Government Chief Whip. In an extraordinary development in the "Plegbate" scandal, it emerged that a man whose testimony was crucial to the resignation of Andrew Mitchell did not in fact witness his outburst. The "witness" was in fact a serving police officer who was nowhere near Downing Street at the time Mr Mitchell was accused of calling police officers "******* plebs", a Channel 4 News investigation suggests. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Found this bit in the comments. Who to believe, the police or the politician? Tough call when you consider neither can be trusted to tell the truth. Amen. tough one but Im swayed to give the nod to to the ex minister (past history tipped the favour) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I bet that really hurts Kudubya to show any solidarity to a conservative party member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 It's a funny old one that does actually need looking into and in depth. If it's a police conspiracy or the police ganging up on a Minister then it's all been very poorly thought out. I reckon the copper that came forward pretending to be a Joe Public bystander and witness maybe a Walt and not connected. So, we have a serving copper pretending to me a member of the public and a witness to "pleb-gate" - surely that all falls over very quickly and easily when the "witness" is asked to come forward and give a statement and turns up in a police uniform. Not exactly plan of the century. Coppers possibly telling porkies and a Minister who doesn't come across as being particularly straightforward? What a heady mix. problem is he cant be a "walt" acting independently? sky are now saying his statement is almost word for word to that of the copper on the gate ( how is that when he was not actually there?) oh hang on the copper cant actually be part of the same protection group can he and surely he cant have been shown the gate coppers log/report can he!! it gets better by the hour. KW I bet that really hurts Kudubya to show any solidarity to a conservative party member why is that I voted tory at the last election ( might have been a false hope mind) KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 It will turn out there was a 'mistake' about the eyewitness account, the police officers on the gate will stick to their story because its their word against Mitchell's. He's a politician, and a Tory politician, so obviously a liar and a cheat who must be cast in a bad light for the good of society, and they're policemen, 'key workers' who keep us all safe with their health and safety vests and raise revenue for the treasury. There was a slight error, but he's still an evil Tory, they're sainted public servants and that's how it will stay because the alternative doesn't 'fit the narrative'. Move along now please, nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 kdubya - I described it as a bit more balanced because it pointed out that the Tories reacted to something which was not properly confirmed. The two original Policemen are supported by the Head of the Met. Mitchell has only himself to blame. Privately, he must have told Cameron what he actually said, who accepted that he had to go. This story perhaps means that there is one bad copper, but still leaves the two Policemen and Mitchell. Someone among those three is lying. This story throws no light on that whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 kdubya - I described it as a bit more balanced because it pointed out that the Tories reacted to something which was not properly confirmed. The two original Policemen are supported by the Head of the Met. Mitchell has only himself to blame. Privately, he must have told Cameron what he actually said, who accepted that he had to go. This story perhaps means that there is one bad copper, but still leaves the two Policemen and Mitchell. Someone among those three is lying. This story throws no light on that whatsoever. nah you get it, it means at least TWO bad coppers one pretending he was a bystander I.E a nothing more then joe public,when in fact he was copper in the same group, the other is the one who gave him the script, it will come out thats for sure and this time it wont be bypassed as most are. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 nah you get it, it means at least TWO bad coppers one pretending he was a bystander I.E a nothing more then joe public,when in fact he was copper in the same group, the other is the one who gave him the script, That doesn't necessarily follow. At least one of the two must have discussed with colleagues - it's human nature. Conspiracy theorists are on red alert. There is no definitive version of what was said. Can I get this clear, do you think Mitchell said nothing untoward at all and has resigned because it was the honorable thing to do? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Agreed, Mitchell has swerved the question of precisely what he said - presumably keeping his head down in case someone recorded the confrontation and hasn't stepped forward yet (that may still happen). It wouldn't surprise me if the Downing Street CCTV was wired for sound eh? Incidentally, everyone in politics appears to be agreed that Mitchell is a nasty piece of work which is presumably why he got the Tory hang man job in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 what a bunch of plebs anyway pleb isnt actually that bad a word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Don't quite understand the rush by some in Parliament and the media to present Mitchell as a poor victim given that he has already admitted swearing at the policemen on the gate even if he has always denied using the word "pleb". Using language, in public, toward on duty police officers, that includes "****k or ******ng is something that Cabinet Ministers really should not do! Pretty depressing role played by the police officers involved in what increasingly looks like a set up. Apart from the lying, conspiring, dishonest and immoral behaviour involved they are apparently so incompetent they can't even do a decent job of stitching him up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Yep, terrible stitch up. Not very well thought out a all. Are we sure they're the Police? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) that termite Ed Milliband will look like a right **** if this turns out to be setup, he rode this bandwagon until the wheels melted. edit: nice clip from Guido, made me chuckle ; http://order-order.com/2012/12/19/watch-ed-milibands-plebgate-shocker/ Edited December 19, 2012 by pegasus bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibspoon Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 It doesn't make ANY sense. The 'copper' would know that his occupation would be discovered. And that long term, neither he, nor the Met would benefit from his alleged actions. He either REALLY hates his job and doesn't care if he's fired, or he's a fall guy. Or it's a big conspiracy put together by the Alien leadership of the Knights Templar Nasa Lodge.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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