ME Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Me ol' mate Mungler says that I should join either BASC or CPSA.Any thoughts on either would be good ? I have got my interview with the Firearms Officer for my SG Licence tomorrow. Any tips / advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I am with the BASC and I think that its brilliant... luckly I have never had to use them in any circumstance... but I feel confident (based on phone calls for gen information) that if I ever did need them they would be there.... so my vote is the BASC.. but thats personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 If you are serious about Clay Shooting, then you should join the CPSA, as you need to be a member to enter registered competitions. I used to be a member of both, but ditched BASC about 10 years ago when I realised they weren't doing enough for ordinary members, (the same could be said about the CPSA, but you need to be a member of at least one of the shooting bodies). Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Don't listen to anything Mungler says. Join the CPSA if you are only shooting clays. If you are shooting clays and game then join the BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Join CPSA, or NGO (National Gamekeepers Organisation) if you are just looking for insurance, but as has been said, the CSPA would be better if you are serious about your clay shooting. Friends of Mungler are OK, its the blood relatives we are cautious about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 BASC for me, as it covers all shooting (alledgedly!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I would recommend not posting the same question 3 times over and scattered across all categories of the forum like a spazmo. I went for the BASC because their quarterly magazine is slightly more entertaining and because I wanted one of those green car stickers. However, the CPSA is more useful, because if you ever want to shoot at one of their events then you have to join anyway. As for tips on your visit from Plod tomorrow - be out or pretend to be someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Mungler, You wouldn't think the car sticker is such a good idea when your car windows get boofed in and your pair of matched Purdeys is removed by the ******. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 found this on another site. hope the auther does not mind. , had a bit of a falling out with BASC due to some things that I didn’t agree with. Many of these points were aired on GT whilst I was still posting there, but were never really sorted out to my satisfaction. One of the main points was the constant price increase, although that wasn’t the main annoyance. That was bought to a head when it was bought to many peoples attention that BASC seemed to have some sort of “get-out†clause when it came to almost any insurance claim. There also seemed to be a bit of concern when it appeared to look like BASC insurance didn’t cover anyone who sold whatever they shot, as this made them some sort of trader and it was never really sorted to my satisfaction. Then there was the debacle over the “National Pigeon Shooting Day†in which BASC contacted the national press and made a big fuss over the fact that many pigeon shooters were going out on this day ……….and shooting thousands of pigeons. They actually referred to this as “CRASSâ€. This had the media up in arms over shooting and almost caused us to lose the “General Open Licence†which applied to pigeon shooting in this country. It was only because of some very hasty back-peddling by BASC that this catastrophe was averted, but not before they had made all pigeon shooters look like murderous scum in the eyes of almost everyone in the country. And they are supposed to be there to protect our sport!!!!!!!!!!!! But what really put the tin-lid on it was when I was approached by a BASC man at the Midland game fair last year. He asked if I was a member, and when I said yes he began to ask about my dog. I started to reply to his question ….when he suddenly cut me dead and walked off to talk to someone he knew…leaving me standing there . As for the magazine, well, it’ just seems to be the same stuff year after year and as has been pointed out, they seem to want to charge over twice as much as the other big organisations like CA or NGO. It could be argued that they have the most influence…….but I didn’t see them arguing when I was handing my pistol in at my local nick in 97. In fact they were remarkably silent over the whole issue, except for the occasional BASC member who wrote to the magazine spouting about how good it was that those “Idiots†with pistols had had them confiscated. After all only nice shooters with very expensive shotguns should be allowed to own guns. Didn’t see anything from the BASC to repudiate this either………just a deafening silence. food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Quote from PM: As per your advice, I joined the RSPB - they had loads of info on birds but nothing about shooting them Phone up the RSPB, tell them you are getting your shotgun certificate and ask them what insurance cover they provide for people that want to shoot wildfowl and pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Mungler... ONLY YOU WOULD THINK OR SAY THAT ON HERE!!!!! but never the less.... its funny!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I might just do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 BASC everytime LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Hmmmm As a member of both i must admit to considering letting the BASC one lapse i am sure that if your bag is driven game then go for it but other than the insurance it dosn't really cater for my needs, The BASC comes across to me as somewhat stuffy and snobbish and dare i say elitist, i know that i will get the guilt trip that i need to "belong" to an organisation that should support the rights of the hunting / shooting fraternity but i don't see where i'm getting value for my money. Floodgates now open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 This subject keeps coming up, and I keep saying the same thing. Remember that the CPSA recently discussed a name change to Clay Target Shooting Association, obviously an attempt at distancing itself from those horrible, nasty people who shoot live things, and even eat some of them! If you shoot anything with a pulse, forget CPSA, thet will not defend live quarry shooting. You could consider National Gamekeepers or Countryside alliance, both offer adequate insurance cover, but cant hold a candle to BASC when it come to firearms issues. If I were ever unfortunate enough to need an expert on my side it would be BASC for me. Membership of an association is far more than insurance and glossy magazines. BASC do both, and a whole lot more, what it says on the tin, and a lot that it doesnt. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I'm a member of BASC. Considering all the work they seem to put into looking after us, I'm happy to pay them their yearly fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Matt, as you are likely to get into trouble go with the BASC - they have the resources to set up and dedicate an entire team to saving your ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Liability insurance should be compulsory for all shotgun, rifle and air rifle owners and any sane owner will have it I'm sure(I hope). Where we obtain it is another matter. To participate in a 'registered' clay target shoot obviously one must join the CPSA, whose package offers liability insurance for ALL types of shooting it even has a personal accident cover package included! I certainly don't think BASC are looking after everyone, they are certainly looking after themselves, check out there executive body, and why did some gamekeepers breakaway from BASC and form the NGO? So if you have no intention of shooting clays and don't want to join the CPSA (Clubmans £45.00 for TWO YEARS) have a look at what is on offer NGO / BASC / COUNTRYSIDE ALLIANCE / SPORTSMANS ASSOCIATION / SCOTTISH GAMEKEEPERS ***. / and what have you. If you are a houseowner or tenant you probably have a buildings and contents insurance policy, just check out the small print in your policy document you might find you are covered for country sports, or ask your broker or ins.company. The Scottish Gamekeepers Association is the cheapest offering liability insurance and the BASC magazine is on general sale anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 If you are a houseowner or tenant you probably have a buildings and contents insurance policy, just check out the small print in your policy document you might find you are covered for country sports, or ask your broker or ins.company. Be very carefull about incorporating your house hold insurance and your shooting!!! just a word of warning... because they use your house as part payment if its a big claim... or hold you responsible... I would approach this one piece you stated with caution... the rest of the information is SPOT on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 RSPB it is then. Thanks for all your help - all be it in two different areas of the forum. Not all of us are (computer) geeks like you Mungler. Rightly or wrongly I joined the CPSA. The Firearms Officer favoured them over BASC too. I had my interview at 1400hrs today - hooray ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 If you are a houseowner or tenant Jon, you must have met Matt - he is a full on "homeowner" Incidentally, Matt lives near a bona fide brothel, which is probably how the FAO made it round there so soon after his application was posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plinker Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 This subject keeps coming up, and I keep saying the same thing. Remember that the CPSA recently discussed a name change to Clay Target Shooting Association, obviously an attempt at distancing itself from those horrible, nasty people who shoot live things, and even eat some of them! If you shoot anything with a pulse, forget CPSA, thet will not defend live quarry shooting. You could consider National Gamekeepers or Countryside alliance, both offer adequate insurance cover, but cant hold a candle to BASC when it come to firearms issues. If I were ever unfortunate enough to need an expert on my side it would be BASC for me. Membership of an association is far more than insurance and glossy magazines. BASC do both, and a whole lot more, what it says on the tin, and a lot that it doesnt. webber webber i am suprised by your views as most of clay shooters are game / rough shooters for at least some of the time and cpsa insurance covers all fieldsports.but i do agree that a name change is a very bad move and feel it would distance the cpsa from the majority of its own members. plinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 The name change has been done on the grounds of political correctness, and yes, there are many members of the CPSA who do not believe that the organisation best serves their interests, myself included. However the fact remains that if you are serious about shooting clay pigeons you need to be a member of the CPSA. I class myself as a serious clay shooter, but am frustrated by recent changes to the way major Sporting events are run, particularly compulsory squadding, which is universally unpopular. Sporting is not like skeet, imagine telling one squad they could start on station 1, but the next squad starts on station 4 doubles..!! My complaints are currently falling on deaf ears at the CPSA. The alternative currently being talked about by some, particularly the FITASC shooting fraternity, is to set up a rival organisation, run by the members for the members, but those with long memories will remember that this has been done before, by a certain Mr Phil Boakes, who then did a classic "Poacher turned gamekeeper", and is now the head honcho at the CPSA..!! Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Had a good day at Highlodge yesterday - best tips I picked up was gun setup, the moving gun mount and to always look at the clay and not down the barrel. It's strange how much good shooting is down to not the actual "shooting" bit but the set up - in partciular how and where you hold the gun just before shouting pull. Looking forward to this weekend. Re: CPSA - Cat when I become world champion I will see what I can sort out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Mungler, I think hell's got more chance of freezing over than you ever becoming World Champion..!! Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Mungler, I think hell's got more chance of freezing over than you ever becoming World Champion..!! Cat. Right then, well you're gonna be off the team for that negative attitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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