sitsinhedges Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 What is? Paying people less than the amount necessary for a decent standard of living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Ah yes. I was talking farm wage which is the only industry left that has a separate, higher minimum wage than the rest of the country. AWB rate as of 1st October 2012 for a Grade 1 is £6.21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Paying people less than the amount necessary for a decent standard of living. That kinda depends on the amount an type of work though doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 That kinda depends on the amount an type of work though doesn't it? Any work should provide enough income to be able to live modestly at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Paying people less than the amount necessary for a decent standard of living. I think folk have an unrealistic opinion of their worth too often. I see a lot of people that aren't worth half the minimum wage. Don't forget the employer no matter what the trade has to make a profit from paying their workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Any work should provide enough income to be able to live modestly at the very least. so what should min wage be in your opinion? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 There is something wrong with both the system and the attitude of many people. The system should not be designed in such a way that it can work out as good or better to remain on benefits instead of working, where is the incentive to work? You have to actually want to work to do so if you are not gaining anything from it, but unfortunately a large amount of people are too lazy and would rather not work. Bring on benefit cuts, make people work for their benefits so it is easier to get a job, and pay people with food, clothes and rent instead of money. Then if you want a new washing machine, hairdryer, laptop, phone and a TV you have a reason to go out and work for it. with you all the way mate, you have put it in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I thought it was 6.19? If it was a fiver an hour I would still want to work I am 21 and struggle at times but i am alive and get out shooting abit I hate not been able to work, I don't do sick days Used 2days of my 4weeks holiday last year...saddo I know but I like been able to work. Fair play to you for wanting to work,thats the point i am trying to make is you are an employers dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 so what should min wage be in your opinion? Regards, Gixer An amount that allows a person to live a basic but respectable life without having to rely on benefits as a top-up. I don't know precisely what that amount would be because I don't live that life but I would suggest an amount approaching £10 per hour as reasonable, along with kicking out all the eastern europeans who are driving wage rates down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 An amount that allows a person to live a basic but respectable life without having to rely on benefits as a top-up. I don't know precisely what that amount would be because I don't live that life but I would suggest an amount approaching £10 per hour as reasonable, along with kicking out all the eastern europeans who are driving wage rates down. Well said, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 An amount that allows a person to live a basic but respectable life without having to rely on benefits as a top-up. i will drink to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 An amount that allows a person to live a basic but respectable life without having to rely on benefits as a top-up. I don't know precisely what that amount would be because I don't live that life but I would suggest an amount approaching £10 per hour as reasonable, along with kicking out all the eastern europeans who are driving wage rates down. and do you REALLY think businesses could afford that!!!!!! SWMBO is on just above NMW and works part time and I am not much above her...its called living within your means...the first 3 years have been a right struggle...ask anyone that knows me but I am still able to save to treats for myself and the family ...and have a mortgage aswell to boot... Benefits should be cut to BELOW the NMW...why should someone who sits on their ***** all day get more than someone who slogs it out for 40+ hours a week..thats the part that is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I think the minimum wage, set up as it is, actually depresses wages. Employers just shrug their shoulders and pay it without considering a wage that will encourage productivity and respect for employer. If businesses had to think about this the market wage for lower end jobs would be higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 If a business cant afford that it's not a viable business. With the rates for the professions for example going into hundreds of pounds per hour paying less than ten as a basic living wage isn't unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I am self employed,pay a class two national insurance contribution,and liable for may own tax,if more people were employed as self employed the hourly rate could well be a realistic wage,the aldi and lidal stores used to operate like that not sure if they still do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 maybe a business that cant pay its workers properly should fail not good for the economy if it keeps just the boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I think the minimum wage, set up as it is, actually depresses wages. Employers just shrug their shoulders and pay it without considering a wage that will encourage productivity and respect for employer. If businesses had to think about this the market wage for lower end jobs would be higher. The minimum wage appears to have been introduced just before the influx of eastern europeans. I don't think this was a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I think some people are in cloud cuckoo land to think min wage should be £1500 a month! You can live on way less than that comfortably - you just have to do without some luxuries - that should be an incentive to work your way up the ladder and better yourself. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I think some people are in cloud cuckoo land to think min wage should be £1500 a month! You can live on way less than that comfortably - you just have to do without some luxuries - that should be an incentive to work your way up the ladder and better yourself. Regards, Gixer exactly....that use to be more than our joint income a month after tax... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I think some people are in cloud cuckoo land to think min wage should be £1500 a month! You can live on way less than that comfortably - you just have to do without some luxuries - that should be an incentive to work your way up the ladder and better yourself. Regards, Gixer How much is that after tax and work related expenses? exactly....that use to be more than our joint income a month after tax... Well excuse me if I don't join you in your race to the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I dont mind people taking a wage in benefits. What i do take exception to is the fact they do not have to lift a finger to get it. If you take a wage from the state, you should work for the improvement of that state. Now wether that be litter picking, road sweeping etc i couldnt care less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 How much is that after tax and work related expenses? Well excuse me if I don't join you in your race to the bottom. and I dont care if you sit on your high branch in the tree of life looking down on me.....I am happy with life and what I have ...aslong as I have enough money to keep a roof over my head and food in my family belly that is all that I want... Some might want the latest gadget or the best of whatever...I use to be like that ..now I know that life is for living and enjoy it... Do you live to work?? or work to live??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 How much is that after tax and work related expenses? Well excuse me if I don't join you in your race to the bottom. Work related expenses?? Like what? You choose what work related expenses you have (such as commute costs, lunch etc) so you tune your life to suit. And what a silly comment to make about a race to the bottom - you show your ignorance there, the man was simply commenting on how distant your ideas seem from the reality of it. Regards, Gixer I dont mind people taking a wage in benefits. What i do take exception to is the fact they do not have to lift a finger to get it. If you take a wage from the state, you should work for the improvement of that state. Now wether that be litter picking, road sweeping etc i couldnt care less. Very true - I also don't like people given benefits because they simply don't want to work, ok if you have a legit reason for not doing it but laziness should not be one of those reasons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 minimum wage a single person would struggle to pay the rent these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Agreed. It's called the poverty trap and one of the big ways that helped people out of it was the 10k limit on tax. Effectively, if you earned 10k or under you did not pay tax. Guess who scrapped it.. Yup Gormless Gordon. KW, is that a flat £185 a wekk or do bills like rent etc have to be paid out of it. I could not give a flying fig if bills have top be paid or not 185 for the best part of a full weeks work is as has been said exploitation christ its nowt but a good pee up these days, I thought Lincoln abolished slavery. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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