kamsin Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Well the last one i bought was a Air Arms Mistral back in 1987 (Yes i still own it and its in as new condition) So buying another airgun 25 years later i knew i was in for some surprises. First was the price.......who the hell died and decided that airguns should be so expensive, i picked one up at £1,200 and soon put it back down again, not for me i thought. I want to go out in the field and not worry about getting it dirty, at £1,200 id be worried about getting it dusty never mind dirty. Anyway, i found one i liked the look of and also in the price range i had in mind, About £300. Well i got this one for £295 and even though its a few years old, its still in great condition. Its a Daystate Harrier .22 pushing out 30ft lbs (FAC licence) Just the ticket, its even in black. I took my old trust .22 Mistral on to the garden and took a couple of test shots at around 20m, i was shooting in to 1" thick chipboard and it was just embedding the pellet into the board and leaving it flush, next i took the Harrier and put a couple of shots through that but at 25m. The sound was not what i expected and to be honest a little disappointing. What had i bought? This has less power than my old .22........How wrong was that assumption! On checking the board the Harrier was blowing holes through it and then hitting the shed, OH MY GOD! This is not a back garden plinker, this is a kill everything in front of you death gun. Although i have nothing behind my house and a very good backstop i decided this gun was not for garden use, I finished setting the scope up and then put the gun away. Its first outing will be on Sunday as i have a date with some pigeons that keep flying away when i use the 12 Gauge. But Saturday im off to the gun show, as i also want a .22 Rimfire, a .17 Rimfire and also a 9 shot semi auto 12 gauge as i have different needs on various land i shoot on. So, my next post maybe about another new gun to my collection or about some dead pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Yeah, possibly not a good idea to have a 30ft/lb being discharged in a garden, if it's going straight through the backdrop! Good luck with the pigeons mate, are you roost shooting or bringing them in on decoys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul taylor Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I fancy three new guns this weekend too but I hear divorce is expensive and messy so I'd better not lol Good luck with the pigeons pal let us know how u get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 are you allowed to shoot a FAC in ya back garden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 fac what air rifle or rim fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) fac what air rifle or rim fire It does say airgun as topic title :-) Edited February 8, 2013 by bigman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 are you allowed to shoot a FAC in ya back garden Most FAC Air Gun's are tied to Land Would have thought unless you own a Very large Garden No BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamsin Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 You are correct, an FAC Airgun is not for use in the back yard. However the land i shoot on is directly behind my house, so i could of just walk to the bottom and over the fence. This is the only reason i was able to do this on my garden. The land is passed for .22 rimfire rounds. I would not wish anyone to think this is in a normal street with people living behind me. Its country side with farm land surounding. Anyway back today, i regreat to say as it was raining, not much was about, and as its a new gun decided that the day would be better spent target shooting and range finding. The rifel is shooting good groups of around 2" at 25m, so a nice clean head shoot should be no problem. I also went to the gunshow yesterday and picked up a CZ Bruno .22 as well (NEVER TO BE USED IN A BACK GARDEN) and we took that out as well, thats shooting 2" groups at 50m but as i was shooting sub's the bullit drop was very high at 75m often missing the target. I have some rats to go take care of this week with the Air rifel, we let you know how i get on there. Hopfully it will stop raining by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 2 inches at 25 metres, what the hell are you on about? 10 shot group, 35 metres, .177, sub 12! 2 inch group at 25 metres is not good enough for head shots at live quarry. Either get the gun fixed, practise with it a lot more or give up shooting at live quarry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Agreed a two inch group at 25 meters just does not cut it for live quarry shooting if its the gun rather than you I would be taking it back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Its more than likely the pellets he is using that can`t live up to being fired out of a gun doing 30 ftlb. The Daystate Harrier will be very capable of doing 5p groups at 40 50 yds. But finding a pellet that is still accurate and doesn`t wobble out of a 30 ftlb gun is not easy. Perhaps some members with FAC 30 ftlb guns might suggest what pellets to try at that sort of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Piledrivers, I happen to know where there are a load for sale, enough to keep him in ammo for years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamsin Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) Mr Secretagentmole, Your quite correct, however it had been a long day and i failed to notice my mistake 2" should of read 2cm or as Mr Night Searcher points out, about the size of a 5p the same is also true about the CZ. But thank you for jumping on me and telling how bad the gun is or i need more Practice or quit shooting live quarry before checking if i had in fact made a typo. Or is this another one of them forums that likes to have a pop at people all the time because you feel they need to think you know more than they do. As per normal with Forums, its not what is said to someone but how it is said, most people use a forum for advice (That’s the stuff when their not sure about something and like a bit of help) Not to be spoken to like some retard who has no clue what they are doing. As stated, yesterday was spent target shooting to improve aim and lean more about the new gun and thought id just post what im up to as i have been very silent on this site even though iv been here for 5 years. As a wise man once said, "You learn nothing by talking, only by listening" or in the modern world "nothing by posting, only by reading" PS, feel free to check my grammar and spelling as well, you may be able to point out I’m not very good at that either. Mr Night Searcher, i'm using the recommended pellet for this gun as listed on the Daystate website, and find it very stable up to about shot 25 when it starts to run out of Air and needs a recharge. They are the Bisly Magnums, a really good pellet i think. I did have ago with my old AirArms 12Ft lb with them, but it did not have the guts to do much damage. They were better than the BSA pellets i last used with it though but they were over 25 years old and had gone a bit funny. Edited February 11, 2013 by kamsin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Kamsin said, As per normal with Forums, its not what is said to someone but how it is said, most people use a forum for advice (That’s the stuff when their not sure about something and like a bit of help) Not to be spoken to like some retard who has no clue what they are doing. Yet not a single question he asks? Might have been a good idea before discharging that gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamsin Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Your correct, i was not asking a question, as indicated "Most people when using a forum" was the clue here, i was pointing out that before you go on the attack you should ensure the post was correct. I was stating FACT,of what i had been up to that day. So what question would of like me to have asked in regard to my discharging the gun.? Can i shoot on land i have permission on, YES The landowner answered that one Should i get used to the gun before shooting at live quarry, YES, as i was already doing that. What pellets should i use, DAYSTATE also sorted that one out. So pray tell me what i should of been asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Mr Secretagentmole, Your quite correct, however it had been a long day and i failed to notice my mistake 2" should of read 2cm or as Mr Night Searcher points out, about the size of a 5p the same is also true about the CZ. But thank you for jumping on me and telling how bad the gun is or i need more Practice or quit shooting live quarry before checking if i had in fact made a typo. Or is this another one of them forums that likes to have a pop at people all the time because you feel they need to think you know more than they do. As per normal with Forums, its not what is said to someone but how it is said, most people use a forum for advice (That’s the stuff when their not sure about something and like a bit of help) Not to be spoken to like some retard who has no clue what they are doing. As stated, yesterday was spent target shooting to improve aim and lean more about the new gun and thought id just post what im up to as i have been very silent on this site even though iv been here for 5 years. As a wise man once said, "You learn nothing by talking, only by listening" or in the modern world "nothing by posting, only by reading" PS, feel free to check my grammar and spelling as well, you may be able to point out I’m not very good at that either. Mr Night Searcher, i'm using the recommended pellet for this gun as listed on the Daystate website, and find it very stable up to about shot 25 when it starts to run out of Air and needs a recharge. They are the Bisly Magnums, a really good pellet i think. I did have ago with my old AirArms 12Ft lb with them, but it did not have the guts to do much damage. They were better than the BSA pellets i last used with it though but they were over 25 years old and had gone a bit funny. Many apologies, 2 inches is over twice as much as 2cm! 2cm is acceptable at that range, but still a bit wide, you should be getting a bit narrower I would have thought. Could be worth looking at a heavier weight pellet to stabilise it further! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamsin Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Maybe after shoving another few pellets through it and getting more used to it, i will be doing (Fingers crossed). My old gun the air arms i was able to shoot 1p coins off the fence at 25m (New 1p coins, not the old dustbin lid type) The pellet is the recommended one, but not always the best, it is a heavy weight though at 21.4 Gr. 2" is way to wide, as i looked at the ruler on my office desk my mistake was apparent even though at the time it made perfect sense. Guess im just a typical bloke, always exaggerating on size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Your correct, i was not asking a question, as indicated "Most people when using a forum" was the clue here, i was pointing out that before you go on the attack you should ensure the post was correct. I was stating FACT,of what i had been up to that day. So what question would of like me to have asked in regard to my discharging the gun.? Can i shoot on land i have permission on, YES The landowner answered that one Should i get used to the gun before shooting at live quarry, YES, as i was already doing that. What pellets should i use, DAYSTATE also sorted that one out. So pray tell me what i should of been asking. were will it end up might have been a start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 are you allowed to shoot a FAC in ya back garden I thought the trend now for FAC Air to be granted on an open ticket in many Counties. My FAC Air is on an open condition whereas my 22lr is conditioned for land where I have permission to use and where the land has previously deemed suitable etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamsin Posted February 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) were will it end up might have been a start! Where will what end up? this conversation or the pellet, i would of guessed in the back stop as i had planned, and after firing found to be correct. However you not knowing my land or the back stop i was using would of given you little to go on to provided me with that information. I think my own judgment would of been far more relevant, hence the reason i have an OPEN ticket, that gives me the right to assess the land and judge if i feel it is suitable for the use of the gun. Im not a 15 year old with his first gun, iv been shooting for over 25 years and would hope by now that i have a good understanding of safety (That maybe why there is an IOSH certificate on my office wall) without having to ask people that have no idea about where im shooting or what at. Taxi Driver, yes your right matey, mine is the same but i would not recommended it in a town area just in case. But you know your gun and backstop, and on an open you get to make the call. Edited February 13, 2013 by kamsin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolhandMal Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Mr Secretagentmole, Your quite correct, however it had been a long day and i failed to notice my mistake 2" should of read 2cm or as Mr Night Searcher points out, about the size of a 5p the same is also true about the CZ. But thank you for jumping on me and telling how bad the gun is or i need more Practice or quit shooting live quarry before checking if i had in fact made a typo. Or is this another one of them forums that likes to have a pop at people all the time because you feel they need to think you know more than they do. As per normal with Forums, its not what is said to someone but how it is said, most people use a forum for advice (That’s the stuff when their not sure about something and like a bit of help) Not to be spoken to like some retard who has no clue what they are doing. As stated, yesterday was spent target shooting to improve aim and lean more about the new gun and thought id just post what im up to as i have been very silent on this site even though iv been here for 5 years. As a wise man once said, "You learn nothing by talking, only by listening" or in the modern world "nothing by posting, only by reading" PS, feel free to check my grammar and spelling as well, you may be able to point out I’m not very good at that either. Mr Night Searcher, i'm using the recommended pellet for this gun as listed on the Daystate website, and find it very stable up to about shot 25 when it starts to run out of Air and needs a recharge. They are the Bisly Magnums, a really good pellet i think. I did have ago with my old AirArms 12Ft lb with them, but it did not have the guts to do much damage. They were better than the BSA pellets i last used with it though but they were over 25 years old and had gone a bit funny. You are 100% correct Kasmin,IMO there are on this forum a lot of members who genuinely hope they get assistance from their fellow members with an airgun problem or issue and there are some gramma cynical members (you know who you are!!!)who enjoy ridiculing,bullying and upsetting the members who blog with their Airgunning issues which as are torn apart in the hope of finding a spelling mistake or so,Maybe it would be a good idea to categorise this forum into a Gramma grading system A,B & C......I would probably have been put into the C category lol.!meanwhile...I shall get my hard hat on and batten the hatches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Well said CoolhandMal. What with the Spelling and Grammer Police. Them that like to ram there single minded opinions down your neck over and over. Them that love to jump in and criticise. ridicule.rather than give some useful advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.