il cacciatore Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 The PM has called that we have our DNA submitted if we are accused of a crime (which will happen anyway with the national ID card. They have already rolled out a scheme that you need to submit fingerprints for a pint. The pubs will loose their licences if they dont submit to the scheme. They will roll out this nation wide if deemed successful (they'll do it anyway). We are the most watched nation on the planet. This is the government that tried but failed to introduce a national curfew. Theyll search you on the bus and theyll put a black box in your car but where is it going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Paranoia street ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Has North Korea been franchised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted October 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 The USSR and DDR monitored its people very closely... Its a scary thought. Maybe if our parties now are not going to be like those from those countries of yesteryear, if we do get one in the future: all the mechanisms are in place for them to emulate them (BNP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Seems funny to me they wanna know the far end of a **** of the law abiding citizens and what time you take a leak BUT when it comes to illegal immigration and terrorists drug dealers etc they don't want to spend time doing that More time and money spent on the REAL issues that need addressed and less on the instalation of these paraniod schemes is whats needed. The government are placing far too much trust in these pathetic schemes and no real interest in good old fashioned doing the job propperly by rounding up immigrants criminals and the rest and dishing out TRUE justice and deportation LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 10 fingers = 10 pints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 10 fingers = 10 pints Just don't take up model making, do you know how much of that liquid cement stuff ends up on your fingers, no pints for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 LG I heard on the radio today that they are now stopping just anyone come into the uk... as immigrants... they only want skilled workers... (yeah right) When I came in... yes I gotta add I am a immigrant (technically speaking) I was skilled etc... college the full works... only came here because of my wife... Anyway....... america is very tight on the ID card scheme... if you dont carry it around with you EVERYWHERE you can get arrested... a Driving licence hasy our photo, all personal details, your fingerprint..and a nice bar code for the police to swipe through there computers in the car to check that you are who you say you are.. also to check for outstanding warrents.. tickets,.,, pmh.. (oops past medical history) the full works.... in some ways brittian is only catching up.... I think it is a good idea in some ways... because for those who never do wrong what do we need to worry about.. although ....... in america... you can still not register for fingerprints etc... and well it defeats the purpose.... too many ins and outs... if you ask me... Where agent Molder and Scully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 ooooo maybe life as in the matrix is upon us. woo hoo, eye scanners, the works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I dunno.. I have the feeling like my life is being taken away. This is OUR country not the goverments. They cant treat us like rats in a cage.. we are living people, and deserve our freedom. I think thats like loosing a right, because its something being forced apon us we are all treated like criminals, while the real criminals carry on murdering and stealing. On the plus side, it will help keep some crime down, but I still dont like it. Feels like they are taking control of us.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBill Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 What's the problem? If you haven't done anything wrong what's to worry about? If you were a good girl or boy before DNA, ID cards, photo driving licences; has that suddenly changed now that technology has moved on- of course not. Don't flap, life will still continue as normal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 What's the problem? If you haven't done anything wrong what's to worry about? If you were a good girl or boy before DNA, ID cards, photo driving licences; has that suddenly changed now that technology has moved on- of course not. Don't flap, life will still continue as normal Muppet. Did you swap your brain for your warrant card? On your way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 What's the problem? If you haven't done anything wrong what's to worry about? If you were a good girl or boy before DNA, ID cards, photo driving licences; has that suddenly changed now that technology has moved on- of course not. Don't flap, life will still continue as normal Muppet. Did you swap your brain for your warrant card? On your way... Mungler you been reading "How to make friends and influence people" again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 What's the problem? If you haven't done anything wrong what's to worry about? If you were a good girl or boy before DNA, ID cards, photo driving licences; has that suddenly changed now that technology has moved on- of course not. Don't flap, life will still continue as normal Muppet. Did you swap your brain for your warrant card? On your way... I thought all policemen and women did that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I was under the impression that my Grandfather and his generation fought and died to protect our liberty. Liberty to me is being able to travel without let or hindrance, to go about my business without having to prove who I am to all and sundry who care to know. I don't care for the argument "if you have nothing to hide.." WHAT A LOAD OF TOTAL ****. I have nothing to hide, the government can already track my movements and habits by looking at my mobile phone records and my credit card bills, I don't like that but it is my choice to have a mobile and use electronic money. That's the whole point, choice. Put ID cards to a referendum and see where they get with them. The government decided to make us number one enemy of the Islamic fundamentalists, now we have to suffer in the name of "national security". We are just weak easy targets for more control which means more revenue which means more corruption. Same as putting up scameras in the name of safety, another crock of **** nobody with half a brain swallows, yet the transport minister goes on TV and radio and spews the same safety message and we are expected to trust these people? CCTV comes in "to protect people" on the street, what does it end up being used for? Fining people who block junctions for christs sake. I thought the government were supposed to carry out the wishes of the majority, oh hang on no I must be confused. One of the only ways to sort this god damn mess out is to radically change the way politics works in this country :- MP's are modestly paid, banned from sitting on the boards of companies and publish with full disclosure all personal accounts, dealings, meetings etc. Then only people wanting to make a difference with no agenda would become politicians. Ask yourself the question, would you trust anyone who wanted to be a politician these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 My personal view is that anyone that wants to be a politician should be automatically banned from being one. Elected officials should be chosen at random from the population and given a four year term of office running the country, after which they return to their old lives. The only problem with this is that you would need a permenant infrastructure behind them and there's a risk that this would steer them in directions that they would not want to go in - Home Office mandarins with their own agenda... All I can say is that it will take a court order for me to submit my DNA (as an innocent man) to a national database. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 What's the problem? If you haven't done anything wrong what's to worry about? If you were a good girl or boy before DNA, ID cards, photo driving licences; has that suddenly changed now that technology has moved on- of course not. Don't flap, life will still continue as normal Muppet. Did you swap your brain for your warrant card? On your way... Mungler you been reading "How to make friends and influence people" again? If you haven't done anything wrong what's to worry about? Well, how else should one respond to such a facile posting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I Guess what Mungler means is that EVERYONE is being treat like a criminal now. Only criminals had DNA and fingerprints taken and were stopped in streets to ask what they were up to. NOW it's going to be EVERYONE So the quote of "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" is superfulous as we are ALL going to be treat like them by having all out details inc fingerprints and DNA put on a central database Also we will be randomly stopped about or LAWFUL buisness and asked to produce our papers (it will be like war torn europe and the NAZI's asking for papers) I also see the claim someone else made about CCTV being used for the wrong reasons in the town centre here. Used to catch MOTORISTS making genuine mistakes and dishing out hefty fines and yet when someone is mugged on a night out "oh dear we are very sorry out CCTV wasn't pointing in the area you were mugged" No because it was being used for the WRONG reasons. As said it was to make the streets a safer place and catch criminals such as muggers thieves etc NOT for easy targets like Motorists "AGAIN" Seems a real head doer to me that in THIS our own country we are gonna be stopped and asked for papers etc under the name of the queen And yet when in OTHER countries our passports asks we be let be without hinderance into and around the visited country Hipocrisy in motion LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I was under the impression that my Grandfather and his generation fought and died to protect our liberty. Liberty to me is being able to travel without let or hindrance, to go about my business without having to prove who I am to all and sundry who care to know. I don't care for the argument "if you have nothing to hide.." WHAT A LOAD OF TOTAL ****. I have nothing to hide, the government can already track my movements and habits by looking at my mobile phone records and my credit card bills, I don't like that but it is my choice to have a mobile and use electronic money. That's the whole point, choice. Put ID cards to a referendum and see where they get with them. The government decided to make us number one enemy of the Islamic fundamentalists, now we have to suffer in the name of "national security". We are just weak easy targets for more control which means more revenue which means more corruption. Same as putting up scameras in the name of safety, another crock of **** nobody with half a brain swallows, yet the transport minister goes on TV and radio and spews the same safety message and we are expected to trust these people? CCTV comes in "to protect people" on the street, what does it end up being used for? Fining people who block junctions for christs sake. I thought the government were supposed to carry out the wishes of the majority, oh hang on no I must be confused. One of the only ways to sort this god damn mess out is to radically change the way politics works in this country :- MP's are modestly paid, banned from sitting on the boards of companies and publish with full disclosure all personal accounts, dealings, meetings etc. Then only people wanting to make a difference with no agenda would become politicians. Ask yourself the question, would you trust anyone who wanted to be a politician these days? Thats a well worthy post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Indeed, what is deemed "legal" today could well be deemed "illegal" tomorrow - we place far too much trust in our politicians to do what is right. If you look at history, and as LG points out the history of Nazi Germany, they didn't wake up one day and send a couple of millions jews off to the gas chambers. First they passed a "law" making it illegal for Jews to vote, the another to make it illegal for them to travel to certain places, then another to make it illegal for them to carry out certain business, then another to make it illegal for them to marry certain people, and another to make it illegal for them to live outside of defined areas (ghettos). And well what do you know, guess what happened next? The cynical might believe that the government deliberately cut back spending on direct policing because it was win win for them - firstly, they save a bundle of money and secondly crime rates increase as well as the perception of crime - this is because there are just *no* policeman out on the roads or walking the beat. The public demand immediate action and are then sold the CCTV genie as the cure to all crime, but it's not and it's then out of the bottle and there is no going back. So what next - ID cards, DNA samples, detention without arrest or trial? Drip, drip, drip there go our civil liberties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBill Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 What's the problem? If you haven't done anything wrong what's to worry about? If you were a good girl or boy before DNA, ID cards, photo driving licences; has that suddenly changed now that technology has moved on- of course not. Don't flap, life will still continue as normal Muppet. Did you swap your brain for your warrant card? On your way... Mungler, stop being a plum, there's a good boy. Run along now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBill Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I Guess what Mungler means is that EVERYONE is being treat like a criminal now. Only criminals had DNA and fingerprints taken and were stopped in streets to ask what they were up to. NOW it's going to be EVERYONE So the quote of "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" is superfulous as we are ALL going to be treat like them by having all out details inc fingerprints and DNA put on a central database Also we will be randomly stopped about or LAWFUL buisness and asked to produce our papers (it will be like war torn europe and the NAZI's asking for papers) I also see the claim someone else made about CCTV being used for the wrong reasons in the town centre here. Used to catch MOTORISTS making genuine mistakes and dishing out hefty fines and yet when someone is mugged on a night out "oh dear we are very sorry out CCTV wasn't pointing in the area you were mugged" No because it was being used for the WRONG reasons. As said it was to make the streets a safer place and catch criminals such as muggers thieves etc NOT for easy targets like Motorists "AGAIN" Seems a real head doer to me that in THIS our own country we are gonna be stopped and asked for papers etc under the name of the queen And yet when in OTHER countries our passports asks we be let be without hinderance into and around the visited country Hipocrisy in motion LG Not everyone is being treated like a criminal- how do you figure that? Where have you heard that we all have to submit DNA? You will not be stopped randomly and asked to produce "papers"- that's absurd and is in no way proposed in legislation. Police and council public place CCTV is NOT used to catch motorists. Other cameras are emplaced to do this. CCTV is a vastly useful tool, I cannot tell you enough how valuable a policing tool it is. I personally have knowledge of dozens of violent individuals being locked up because of it. This country is by no means perfect but it's a lot better than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 OK ladies keep it polite or the yellow card comes out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 What does CCTV achieve that better policing wouldn't? We have all got used to the notion that we don't need as many police now because we have CCTV cameras? A policeman's pair of eyes can spot trouble and extra police (bodies) can make the arrest. I haven't as yet seen a CCTV camera climb down from its pole and break up a fight for example. Hands up everyone who slows down for speed traps and then speeds up again as soon as you are outside the camera detection zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBill Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I can't speak for elsewhere, but where I am the CCTV camera are in ADDITION to bobbies, the numbers of bobbies have in fact increased since the year CCTV was rolled out. There are also dedicated non police staff used for monitoring them. In most places CCTV is co funded between the police, councils and local businesses funding is not directed away from policing to fund it. It is a very cost effective policing tool, is does not replace policing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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