Anonymouslemming Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 My wife has just had her FEO visit for her SGC. As part of this, she's been told that because we're sharing a cabinet, all guns need to go on both certificates. I wasn't there, so I have some questions ... Does this mean that each time we go to buy a gun, we need to have the seller complete both certificates, or can they just do one and we do the other? Also, do we need to send separate notifications to the Met for each purchase and sale, 1 for each certificate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 i think it would be be easier to get another cabinet mate that all sounds like it will be complicated and hard work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 i think it would be be easier to get another cabinet mate that all sounds like it will be complicated and hard work Second cabinet is out of the question sadly - we just don't have the space in a suitable location. Plus, this seems to be a condition on the cert now, so we just need to work out how to live with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 My wife has just had her FEO visit for her SGC. As part of this, she's been told that because we're sharing a cabinet, all guns need to go on both certificates. I wasn't there, so I have some questions ... Does this mean that each time we go to buy a gun, we need to have the seller complete both certificates (NO) , or can they just do one and we do the other (YES)? Also, do we need to send separate notifications to the Met for each purchase and sale, 1 for each certificate (YES)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Thanks - that doesn't seem too onerous - just doubles up on postage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I think the only answer to this is to give the FEO a call. It does seem an overly complicated approach but logical I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Thanks - that doesn't seem too onerous - just doubles up on postage Put them both in the same envelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 or e-mail in the notification, on one side it makes life very easy and uncomplicated once you get your head round it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirDread Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 We have the same challenge. When the missus SGC arrived it had all my shotguns listed on hers. Since she got her cert she has bought and sold a shotgun using her cert with no updates made on mine and we have had no issues raised by the FEO on the back of both notifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzypigeon Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 When I shared a cabinet with my dad I never had to have guns on both certs I think they are trying it on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc0tt Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I was told by my FEO that they need to be on both Certs. This is for a friend though. He will be storing at my place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 or e-mail in the notification, on one side it makes life very easy and uncomplicated once you get your head round it. With e-mail, I get no indication besides the item in my sent box that I ever sent it. With postage, I get the receipt that shows I posted it signed for and when it was signed for. If they had an autoresponder (besides the one that tells you the address you mailed is wrong because we've not updated our website in months) to the e-mails to confirm receipt, I'd be a lot happier with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 The Mrs and myself share a cabinet, we both own our own guns and they are not listed on both certs. I've spoken to my feo and double checked by phoning the local firearms office and both said there was no need to put guns on both certs. Just shows once again the variability in legislation interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 When my mrs cert arrived a couple of months ago I was surprised to find all of my guns on it...apparently FEO had insisted. Don't see the need really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 With e-mail, I get no indication besides the item in my sent box that I ever sent it. With postage, I get the receipt that shows I posted it signed for and when it was signed for. If they had an autoresponder (besides the one that tells you the address you mailed is wrong because we've not updated our website in months) to the e-mails to confirm receipt, I'd be a lot happier with it. ahh my e-mail keeps a sent message with a read receipt attached and our force sends a reply saying take this receipt as am acknowledgement that a notification of transfer has been received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 As far as i can see the only problem with a chaps Misssus having his shotguns on her certificate is thaty it adds them to the list of possessions that she can walk off into the sunset with (ie in in addition to the house, dog and any kids etc) if you commit any one of a range of a million offences from using ther wrong tea towel to sleaping with her sister. surely its got to be easier to have them on both certs for the sake of an extra paragraph in an email when you buy /sell each gun - otherwise you'd technically be breaking the law if either of you went away for 4 days leaving your gun at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trxnav Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Me and my dad share guns at 2 different locations in 2 cabinets all guns are on both Cerys and if we sell or buy we just do it on 1 cert then adjust the other accordingly this is what we have been told to do by feo and never had any issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 otherwise you'd technically be breaking the law if either of you went away for 4 days leaving your gun at home That's something I'd not thought of - good point thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Son who has just turned 14 has just sent in hiss application for fac/,the FEO had stated that all guns(my guns) will be listed on both certs but on his certy they will be listed as shared.When he turns of age where he can purchase his own and have access, then he will have to have his own listed and his own cabinet as he will have no access to mine no me his if this makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 There making this up as they go along, load of rubish. suggest you contact BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 When my mrs cert arrived a couple of months ago I was surprised to find all of my guns on it...apparently FEO had insisted. Don't see the need really. Because you must have a valid SGC to possess the guns. If you do not then your possession of them is unlawful. You are in possession if you have access to them, which you do if you are keeping your guns in the same cabinet. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 As far as i can see the only problem with a chaps Misssus having his shotguns on her certificate is thaty it adds them to the list of possessions that she can walk off into the sunset with (ie in in addition to the house, dog and any kids etc) if you commit any one of a range of a million offences from using ther wrong tea towel to sleaping with her sister. surely its got to be easier to have them on both certs for the sake of an extra paragraph in an email when you buy /sell each gun - otherwise you'd technically be breaking the law if either of you went away for 4 days leaving your gun at home I'm not convinced that the 72 hour exemption applies in caes like this. The exemption is quite narrowly worded. It says that a gun can be loaned to another SGC holder for a period not exceeeding 72 hours without it needing to be entered on their certificate. I think that you are probably stretching the definition of 'loan' and 'lend' beyond breaking point simply by being away from home for four days and leaving your guns in a cabinet with someone elses guns. The reality of the situation is that you aren't genuinely 'loaning' them your gun, you are just expecting them to look after it for you. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 If you are a member give BASC a call. I would have thought this is the sort of thing they could help you with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 My son lives in London and I'm up here in Cleveland. As i live on my own since the better half died 10 years ago we decided he should apply for his SGC and FAC He got them with the met no problem he has just had renewal last year so is on his second ticket and all my guns are listed on his tickets. It states that all guns and ammo have to be stored at my address. I had to ring BASC about something last year as the land he can shoot on with his mate is only cleared for .22 and i take my HMR down when i go so he can have a couple of days with his mate shooting now to be on the safe side his mate contacted his feo only to be told my son could not shoot this land until passed as the Met stated the HMR was a larger caliber.. Any how while talking to the legal eagle at BASC about this i mentioned that all my guns were listed on my sons ticket. He proceeded to tell me i should not have done this as it meant i could not sell any of my guns unless my son was present and he also agreed with the sale and both tickets had to be done at the same time.. This was where i lost it and told him they were my guns and i would sell them if i wanted to.... :blush: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 could not sell any of my guns unless my son was present and he also agreed with the sale and both tickets had to be done at the same time.. This was where i lost it and told him they were my guns and i would sell them if i wanted to.... :blush: I'm a bit confused by that. My understanding is that you never ever modify your own ticket - you simply list the gun on the buyer's ticket. You then notify your local force and when your ticket is renewed, guns that you no longer own are removed at that point. Why would your licences need to be involved in a sale beyond proof that you own the gun ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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