Asa Bear Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I am a firefighter and at work we have a recognised shooting section. I represent the brigade shooting clays so sometimes take my gun to work. I break it down and keep it part locked in my personal locker with a combination padlock and part in my vehicle. Firefighters before me have done this for @30 years, probably even more relaxed in the past. I myself have been doing this for approximately two years. Recently my station commander of approximately 12 months has told me he is not "comfortable" with me having a gun or part of on station and has instructed me not to do this until further notice. There is no service policy on this and it is not being applied brigade wide. I have spoken to the shooting section chairman and my union representative who are making enquiries. What are your views on this and what is the practice in your workplace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 To be fair I wouldn't be happy with firearms being stored at work either. Is it an inconvenience to pop home for it when required? Also I can't imagine lockers are deemed safe storage by many feos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 its there work place so there rules end of personal i would not have said out then nobody would be any wiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I have an air pistol in my desk drawer. I shoot tin cans when I am bored (and intimidate grads). I also have a working scale model of a Trebuchet that use to fire projectiles across the floor. We are fairly laid back about these sorts of things in India. I wouldn't do it in London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Although it's a recognised way of securing your gun when away from home, that is breaking the gun down and storing the component parts separately, I go along with whats been said previously, it's their workplace, their rules...end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I think he said that there is no rule that says he cannot do what he's done for two years. The union will sort it or you can all down tools - one out, all out ! Just waiting now for someone to mention it could be useful for cats stuck up trees ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine1980 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I use guns as part of my job! We have them all over the place!! Lol Royal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I use guns as part of my job! We have them all over the place!! Lol Royal But I bet if you took a fire appliance into work, Someone would have something to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markr Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 what about asking to fit a proper shotgun cabinat so that way it would be secured as per SG#c rules?? might just be a way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I am a firefighter and at work we have a recognised shooting section. I represent the brigade shooting clays so sometimes take my gun to work. I break it down and keep it part locked in my personal locker with a combination padlock and part in my vehicle. Firefighters before me have done this for @30 years, probably even more relaxed in the past. I myself have been doing this for approximately two years. Recently my station commander of approximately 12 months has told me he is not "comfortable" with me having a gun or part of on station and has instructed me not to do this until further notice. There is no service policy on this and it is not being applied brigade wide. I have spoken to the shooting section chairman and my union representative who are making enquiries. What are your views on this and what is the practice in your workplace? What happens about security whilst you out on the run ? For years, our local station would turn out when the bells went off and the place would be empty, doors open. Then, sadly one year there was incidents at a few stations where thefts occurred from fire stations when they were out on a shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) We have a force clay club and i regularly take part in their inter service competitions but I plan around the competitions and try to not have the hassle of taking the gun to work. It's not an issue if I do as we have a large armory but as i said I try to avoid it. You could try explaining that you are representing the service etc but is it worth getting on the wrong side of your commander for? Edited March 7, 2013 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I would be amazed if any Employer would sanction a gun being taken into a workplace , unless it was needed for the job in hand. There must be enough H&S, risk assessment, security, etc., issues involved to fill a few filing cabinets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 we aren't actually talking a gun though surely leave the barrels in the car locked in the boot and just take in the stock and forend in a holdall and lock them in the locker. I wouldn't actually be telling anyone I was doing it and just keeping it subtle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Are you able to shoot at work ? if not why are you taking the gun in the first place ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 could you not have a small gun cabinet bolted in the back of your car to keep it safe it is not simple to steel cars today like it used to be so it should be quite safe there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Are you able to shoot at work ? if not why are you taking the gun in the first place ? If he lives say ten miles from his work place and where he shoots is ten miles in the opposite direction on your second point look at (station)s post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I sometimes leave from work after a night shift to a shoot or return from a shoot to work a night. I live 20 miles away from my station so not always convenient to pop home. It's never been a problem with previous station commanders/managers/officers in years gone by. I never broadcast that I've got a gun with me but everybody knows I shoot. Other lads at other stations within my brigade are still doing the same. I think it's more a personal thing from my station commander. could you not have a small gun cabinet bolted in the back of your car to keep it safe it is not simple to steel cars today like it used to be so it should be quite safe there. I have a van vault in the back of my van that the main part of my gun is locked in but the SC is not happy with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 What happens about security whilst you out on the run ? For years, our local station would turn out when the bells went off and the place would be empty, doors open. Then, sadly one year there was incidents at a few stations where thefts occurred from fire stations when they were out on a shout. Fair point but they'd have to break into the correct locker in sixty then the correct vehicle in the yard for the remainder of the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Why don't you just keep it in your car in a gun safe as you have said then surely the SC has no say? Edited March 7, 2013 by CZ550Kevlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine1980 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 It's a privilege to take weapons to work I'd have thought, some of you seem to have the opinion that its your given right in order to make it easier for you!! If you love shooting as much as me an extra couple of miles drive to keep you weapons and your licence are worth it surely! Royal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 It's a privilege to take weapons to work I'd have thought, some of you seem to have the opinion that its your given right in order to make it easier for you!! If you love shooting as much as me an extra couple of miles drive to keep you weapons and your licence are worth it surely! Royal It's not just a matter of a couple of miles drive. It's more the timing and punctuality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine1980 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 It's not just a matter of a couple of miles drive. It's more the timing and punctuality. I still think my first comment stands!!! Royal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 To be fair their would be a right poo storm if I took mine to work with me, I'd be down the road ASAP. Take it on the chin and keep saving lives. Or cat's...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Royal, I don't think it's my right to have my gun at work to make my life easier. I only do it IF I need to leave early for a shoot or get back to work promptly after a shoot. As it stands I won't be able to shoot some of the clay meets as work comes first obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I take mine to the station when needs must, but dont advertise the fact to anyone! I have it locked into the rear of my truck in a manner I am satisfied would make it as difficult as it would be to take it from the house in the safe. So if you fit decent protection in your vehicle why not leave it there when on duty? It is unlikely your vehicle will be targeted in the station car park, especially when the station is occupied and we all know that our time spent saving cats from trees is becoming less and less these days If SC says no gun in the station I wouldnt even bother questioning it as there will only be one winner and it wont be you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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