guest1957 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Taking a particular view on a matter does not justify criminal damage/theft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 highseas, out of interest what are the rules and regs of gill netting? do you need a licence etc? might have a go myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 on the foreshore I am against stupid people doing anythig that can cause harm to others like setting pots around a reef next to a slipway used by kayakers and jet skies and having small marker floats that only surface once the tide pull has stopped and its slack water, however sensible potting or netting with well marked rigs that give plenty of visual warning and dont cut off areas of access should not be a problem. We have a great reef system at sea palling and the bass hang out in summer so we often paddle through with a yak and a lure, local pot fishermen dont want there pots found so they have a drift line on a very small float which only pops up at slack water and they snag it with a boat hook to pull the pot. The rest of the time it hangs just under water in the tide flow If you foul this with your lure its a loss, if you snag your paddle its a scare if you snag your rudder your are really in the dogs do do's because the tide is running and you are in 10 ft of hard water breaking on a reef. The pot men dont seem to care they are not the only folk who want to enjoy the area and think they have some kind of exclusive rights, not hard to see why sometimes the snag lines get cut as low under the water as a man can reach with a knife, not me I would like to add...... conflict out of a lack of understanding for each others point of view and needs..... I guess somewhere in there is my answer highseas you just need to think about where you are in the mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Taking a particular view on a matter does not justify criminal damage/theft I'm sure you would take a different view if it was your dog or family that got tangled in one ! I would'nt say i go out of my way looking for net's but if i do come across one which i consider to be dangerous then i see it as my duty to do something about it, i would act no different if i came across some invisable snares set in a park full of children which is basically what a shore net is with the added danger of drowning ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul87 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 If everyone is acting as safely and responsibly as they can then what is the problem? I don't net but I have no problems with responsible netting for the not at risk species using a suitable sized mesh. Any static net within close proximity of the shore line is a very dangerous hazzard, A friend of mine is a lifeboat man and they had a submerged net tangle the prop of there rib once preventing them from attending an emergancy call and even had to be rescued themselves, there is no such thing as safe shore netting (most of which are left out for days on end) tide and weather conditions can and do rip nets to pieces causing them to drift, it is quite common for our local lifeguards to pull them from the sea where many hundreds of people are swimming. Again I take your point on board but if you look at what I highlighted from my original post and you ensure you are doing everything possible to eliminate the risk as you do in any job or hobby then work away. Accidents can and will happen, big nets are used out at sea and all over the coast line which the tide can carry hundreds of miles. No fisherman wants his nets lost or damaged as they are not cheap and will do their best to ensure they keep them. Most are well marked with buoys, floats or flags to alert sea men/women to there where abouts. No-one can claim ownership of the sea below high tide mark, so why shouldn't someone be able to act above the law and pursue their hobby? It surely isn't up to you to decide and maybe the net that got caught up in the life boat was one you cut loose. Not having a dig at you but cutting a net loose is more irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) I find it hard as a shooter, hunter, trapper and costal fisherman to knock someone else's hobby and ban it. My hobbies are knocked by many and many want them banded. I stand by all legal country pursuits carried out safely. Edited March 8, 2013 by rimfire4969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul87 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I find it hard as a shooter, hunter, trapper and costal fisherman to knock someone else's hobby and ban it. My hobbies are knocked by many and many want them banded. I stand by all legal country pursuits carried out safely. I agree entirely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Again I take your point on board but if you look at what I highlighted from my original post and you ensure you are doing everything possible to eliminate the risk as you do in any job or hobby then work away. Accidents can and will happen, big nets are used out at sea and all over the coast line which the tide can carry hundreds of miles. No fisherman wants his nets lost or damaged as they are not cheap and will do their best to ensure they keep them. Most are well marked with buoys, floats or flags to alert sea men/women to there where abouts. No-one can claim ownership of the sea below high tide mark, so why shouldn't someone be able to act above the law and pursue their hobby? It surely isn't up to you to decide and maybe the net that got caught up in the life boat was one you cut loose. Not having a dig at you but cutting a net loose is more irresponsible. I never leave nets to drift, anything i cut will be removed from the beach and binned. It is very common that shore nets dont have any visable bouy's or markers ! this is done on purpose so that other people/kids/polish etc dont go and raid there catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 highseas, out of interest what are the rules and regs of gill netting? do you need a licence etc? might have a go myself. it depends on your area we have seasons and box areas to protect salmon and sea trout. as well as min mesh sizes for mullet cod and bass. we cant SET WITHIN 300M of a slip way. nets must have names on ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I find it hard as a shooter, hunter, trapper and costal fisherman to knock someone else's hobby and ban it. My hobbies are knocked by many and many want them banded. I stand by all legal country pursuits carried out safely. No offence but just because something is legal it dosent make it right ! As a shooter we have plenty of regulations to maitain safety to us and others any breach of these regulations would land you in a heap of trouble ! with shore netting there is no way of even finding out who's net is who's even if they caused a death ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I'm sure you would take a different view if it was your dog or family that got tangled in one ! I would'nt say i go out of my way looking for net's but if i do come across one which i consider to be dangerous then i see it as my duty to do something about it, i would act no different if i came across some invisable snares set in a park full of children which is basically what a shore net is with the added danger of drowning ! What gives you the ability to say something is dangerous? I could say your house is dangerous and thus drive a bulldozer through it to solve the problem. And i'd be in the right going by your logic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I never leave nets to drift, anything i cut will be removed from the beach and binned. It is very common that shore nets dont have any visable bouy's or markers ! this is done on purpose so that other people/kids/polish etc dont go and raid there catch. their is often no requirement to have marker bouys on nets (cumbria you dont have to) and like i said all nets are visited befor the "first floats out" with waders on and is waded along so i dont have to worry about my catch getting nicked not to mention all the other guys on the beach keep and eye out and look after each others nets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) No offence but just because something is legal it dosent make it right ! As a shooter we have plenty of regulations to maitain safety to us and others any breach of these regulations would land you in a heap of trouble ! with shore netting there is no way of even finding out who's net is who's even if they caused a death ! I don't believe I have said its right or wrong, there may also be other areas for country pursuits I don't like, but I will not vote against them as when one is banned the do gooders move onto the next thing maybe shooting and try and ban that. Edited March 8, 2013 by rimfire4969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 What gives you the ability to say something is dangerous? I could say your house is dangerous and thus drive a bulldozer through it to solve the problem. And i'd be in the right going by your logic! you could not just walk into his house as it's private property so it would not matter how dangerous it was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 No offence but just because something is legal it dosent make it right ! As a shooter we have plenty of regulations to maitain safety to us and others any breach of these regulations would land you in a heap of trouble ! with shore netting there is no way of even finding out who's net is who's even if they caused a death ! erm again your mistaken, read my post about rules. not to mention the inshore fisheries wardens and envirment agencies patrole on quads and we give them names and addreses even thou we have no requirement too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 you could not just walk into his house as it's private property so it would not matter how dangerous it was! my post was meant to be extracting the urine about his logic, i think i may not have worded it quite right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Sorry had to vote against, spent many years diving the north east coast and seeing the remnants of damaged nets continuing to keep on entangling anything and everything, rock gullies were ALWAYS covered in them,still have the scars on a hand thats got caught up in one, you sound responsible but believe me you are in the minority from my observation of gill netters. KW we call them "ghost nets" often caused by some one cutting nets lose to drift off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 You sir are a complete fool ! A 5 min search will show people exactly how dangerous SHOOTING is ! and as for claiming that they never WOUND birds or DUMP GAME you are clearly lying ! there is a campain to ban SHOOTING/GUNS for exactly the reasons i have stated backed by some of the top scientist's and ANIMAL CHARITES in the world. The sooner it is banned the better ! Ive edited some bits in CAPITALS for you. Dont think i need to explain my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Ive edited some bits in CAPITALS for you. Dont think i need to explain my point. now thats good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 now thats good Thankyou, not sure how someone can kill animals then justify cutting peoples nets on the grounds of cruelty. So have you pulled any fish in in nets lumpy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Thankyou, not sure how someone can kill animals then justify cutting peoples nets on the grounds of cruelty. So have you pulled any fish in in nets lumpy? Its not a case of cruelty more one of public safety which is why DEFRA are calling for a ban on the practice (in a lot of places it is already prohibited). No i have never used a static net ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 When you cut and pull others nets in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 When you cut and pull others nets in. No ! as stated i dont go looking for them however when i do come across them there are usually a few dead fish half eaten by crabs or seagulls which are left for the crabs/seagulls to finish. there is no way of knowing how old a dead fish has been there so why would anyone want to take them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 there is no way of knowing how old a dead fish has been there so why would anyone want to take them ? Nobody said you did. I was just curious as to how many fish you had found in the nets. I dont even know what a gill net is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Nobody said you did. I was just curious as to how many fish you had found in the nets. I dont even know what a gill net is. A gill net is deisgned to catch fish by thier gill's hence the name, 90% of fish trapped in a gill net will die because of this, encluding undersized fish due to the mesh size constricting as fish/crabs/seaweed/debris etc gets caught in the net and stretches it, they are mainly made of monofilament which makes them virtually invisable and as stated by someone else it is very easy for divers/swimmers or anyone else using the shore to get tangled up in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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