What would a Ukip Britain look like?

[aris]

Hell yes! How can you call yourself a christian and say you follow a christian set of rules? there isn`t an option B, you missed out the first rule (Matthew 22:36-40)

 

It is quite possible to be an athiest or agnostic who has Christian values. Religion does not make the man - it is his values and actions that does.

[Vipa]

 

Not a wind up at all... I had this discussion just the other week with a couple of very devout catholics and a high up member of the local anglican church (I move in very odd circles!)

 

And there you have the problem.... when you take a work of fiction, 2000 years old and of dubious origin and start taking it literally!!! if god existed and the bible was the work of his faithfull.. don't you think he would have built a ltttle future proofing into it... he doesn't do too well with change now does he!

[keg]

It is quite possible to be an athiest or agnostic who has Christian values. Religion does not make the man - it is his values and actions that does.

 

Very well put, my best chum is an atheist but a finer friend and man, you will not find.

[matone]

Ukip can`t really do any worse than the rest of them.(They may do it better )

[Thunderbird]

It is quite possible to be an athiest or agnostic who has Christian values. Religion does not make the man - it is his values and actions that does.

 

Tru 'dat Makes a lot more practical sense too.

 

I reckon Jesus would rather that, than someone going round burning people for daring to celebrate him in a *slightly* different way

[FalconFN]

I cannot believe how many people are saying that they'll vote for them after reading the manifesto! It's clearly a popularist box-ticking, vote-grabbing load of old bovine brown stuff.

 

If they ever get anywhere near govenment you'll soon see them wriggling out of 90% of that nonsense.

[aris]

I think the point is that they are a protest party. Their popularity will shift the goalposts of the other parties.

[FalconFN]

Ukip can`t really do any worse than the rest of them.(They may do it better )

Yes they can! And they would.

 

The only way that UKIP could afford to do all of their grand plans is by getting out of bed with Europe and America and into bed with China and India, and you can't do that without close links, trade agreements and mixing of tades and cultures.

[Livefast123]

Watch the UK turn into a cesspit with fat Dave, nerdy Nick and Milliwho feeding like a bunch of pigs from the trough or at least try and vote for a party who want to change something.

 

I know who i'll be voting for and lets face it, they can't do any worse as the UK is already on the approach path to runway ruin.

Edited March 11, 2013 by Livefast123

[Gimlet]

Yep, sounds good to me on paper BUT...don't forget who actually runs the country!

I think that if they did get in to power they would find that we are in such a mess that they wouldn't be able to implement many of their good ideas because the Civil Service wouldn't let them!

 

 

 

GH

 

The civil service currently operates more or less independantly of parliament. Whitehall's first loyalty is to Europe. It takes instruction directly from the EU Commission, prioritising this 'business' and effectively becoming an unelected legislator operating over the heads of our own Parliament. This Neo-Soviet colonialism was waved through by Gordon Brown when he sneaked in late to sign that treaty hoping no one would notice. His motivation I'm sure was partly to take revenge on a country that had rejected his bankrupt and deranged student-protest brand of political ideology, and partly to commit a characteristic act of spite to render impotent the incoming government. The EU takes up about 75% of Whithall's time. There is rarely time left to carry out the secondary wishes of parliament. That is why so little that politicians in Westminster promise is ever delivered. Very often European directives cancel out legislation drawn up by our own elected Government. Whitehall manderins don't even bother to inform the government of the directives they are enacting for the EU. Ministers only discover what is happening when their own legislation is blocked or disabled or just disappears into the sand. Since the EU Commission is not answerable to the EU Parliament, nor to national parliaments and does not need to consult MEPs before it legislates, elected Governments are reactive not decisive. They have become managers not leaders who constantly appear behind the game and incompetent. This is entirely deliberate. It is a calculated attempt to discredit and undermine the concept of and the trust in democratic national governance.

Rip the poisoned vein of Europe out of our body politic and Whitehall can be brought to heel. The greater problem is antediluvian trade unionism in the civil service which will attempt to hobble all public sector reforms. The best solution would be to simply ban outright trade union membership for all public servants. In fact I'd ban trade unions altogether. They serve no useful function.

Edited March 11, 2013 by Gimlet

[pimpkiller]

I dont think thats a bad thing, we have had plenty to do with india in the past and all our stuff comes from china, Europe on the other hand we have only just stopped shooting at. Does anyone like dealing with the french, german or eastern states?

 

On the global warming thing I think its all rubbish not one solid shred of proof, nothing is ever done about it just give the taxman more money and at the end of the day we are talking about saving a teaspoon full when america are leaving the tap running. Gore just made a film to make america seem to care when its countries like that that are the problem.

 

Invade countries for oil then erase the guilt with a Prius

[kdubya]

I cannot believe how many people are saying that they'll vote for them after reading the manifesto! It's clearly a popularist box-ticking, vote-grabbing load of old bovine brown stuff.

 

If they ever get anywhere near govenment you'll soon see them wriggling out of 90% of that nonsense.

 

what like the others wriggled out of their manifesto pledges ( referendum anyone) ring a bell does it?

 

KW

Edited March 11, 2013 by kdubya

[pimpkiller]

We are all in this together? hahahaha makes me laugh

[overandunder2012]

i must admit im tempted to vote for them as nothings going to change with cons,libs. or labour

[guest1957]

The numbers are from a dream world and many of their aspirations are worrying.

[Mk1 Man]

The numbers are from a dream world and many of their aspirations are worrying.

 

Sooner their aspirations than this load o rubbish we've got at present.

[Reece]

Of course some people doubt UKIP's abilities, as they have not got any seats yet and for a long time they were considered largely irrelevant and had little influence. Whether UKIP are capable of running the country remains to be seen, they haven't been in power before and have no track record on these things, and we will not know until/unless they get into power, but they certainly seem capable and they are almost certainly better than what we have at the moment.

If we keep voting for the three "main parties", then nothing will change. Vote UKIP and things may or may not change, there is a much better chance of change happening than with the ones we have at the moment. Those who vote UKIP have nothing to lose but potentially a lot to gain.

 

I think a problem with UKIP is that their support is spread across the country, so while they have a lot of supporters, they don't currently have enough in one area to tip the balance of power. That will probably change in one or two constituencies at least before the next election. UKIP support has been surging for a while now according to opinion polls and it doesn't seem to be stopping.

Edited March 11, 2013 by Reece

[hedd-wyn]

The numbers are from a dream world and many of their aspirations are worrying.

 

I agree, very two dimensional promises.

[Richard V]

They've had my vote for a while, outside of the United States of Europe we can still trade with the EU, the thought of BMW bining off their British market simply because we diddn't want to part of a political union is laughable. Hong Kong has a seat at the WTO but Britain doesn't? What's all that about?

 

The ol' "they're a bunch of wacists" is laughable, the current immigration system is more racist as we have to keep the boarders open for certain nationalities who happened to be in the USE, while keeping controls to the rest of the world (including commonwealth countries such as India and Pakistan), who have more similarities with Britain, than, say Romania.

 

There's a lot of vested interests in keeping us in the sinking ship, for example Chris Pattern, who's head of the BBC trust,gets a £100,000/yr EU pension, and one of these stipulations is that he musn't do anythign detremental to the "European Project", which is one of the reasons why the BBC is rather biased in this area.

 

Before the European Communities act was passed, the FCO published a document known as FCO 30/1048, whihc was confidential at the time, examining the implications of Britain's soverignty and indepencence while being members of the EEC (or the common market as the propaganda said) and part of the document stated:-

 

After entry there would be a major responsibility on HMG and on all political parties not to exacerbate public concern by attributing unpopular measures or unfavourable economic developments to the remote and unmanageable workings of the Community.

 

Says it all really

Edited March 11, 2013 by Richard V

[Mr-Sheen]

I think the point is that they are a protest party. Their popularity will shift the goalposts of the other parties.

 

I totally agree with that. Even if UKIP never come in to power, their rise in popularity is an indicator to the other major parties of what the people actually want and as you put it the goalposts are then shifted. The tories had to draft a referendum on Europe because of pressure from UKIP. Their rising popularity in this country is a fantastic thing however i will not be voting for them. Although i agree with vast quantities of their manifesto, banning the use of global warming propaganda and other policies to me show that this party is far from ready to be in charge of the country. Although we all complain about 'the state of the country' now, nothing in your worst nightmare would be as bad as the possibility of a fascist and oppressive government.

[OddJob]

People are actually going to vote for a party that are going to aim to increase unemployment by 2 million straight away with the hope of them getting new jobs in sectors that take decades to develop. With the loss of tax and spending, that alone will cripple a country let alone the or proposed increase to VAT that no one has mentioned. That's nigh on everything more expensive just to pay for more bombs. Super...

[FalconFN]

People are actually going to vote for a party that are going to aim to increase unemployment by 2 million straight away with the hope of them getting new jobs in sectors that take decades to develop. With the loss of tax and spending, that alone will cripple a country let alone the or proposed increase to VAT that no one has mentioned. That's nigh on everything more expensive just to pay for more bombs. Super...

I think that's all part of the plan - no jobs, high taxes and no economic future will certainly keep immigration down.

[Reece]

I totally agree with that. Even if UKIP never come in to power, their rise in popularity is an indicator to the other major parties of what the people actually want and as you put it the goalposts are then shifted. The tories had to draft a referendum on Europe because of pressure from UKIP. Their rising popularity in this country is a fantastic thing however i will not be voting for them. Although i agree with vast quantities of their manifesto, banning the use of global warming propaganda and other policies to me show that this party is far from ready to be in charge of the country. Although we all complain about 'the state of the country' now, nothing in your worst nightmare would be as bad as the possibility of a fascist and oppressive government.

 

I see no possibility of a "fascist and oppressive government" with UKIP. Just because they oppose the status quo on certain issues doesn't make them racist, nor does it mean our country will become oppressive. What we have at the moment with the EU is oppressive, over 60% of our laws are imposed on us by Europe and we have little say in the matter.

[Gimlet]

I totally agree with that. Even if UKIP never come in to power, their rise in popularity is an indicator to the other major parties of what the people actually want and as you put it the goalposts are then shifted. The tories had to draft a referendum on Europe because of pressure from UKIP. Their rising popularity in this country is a fantastic thing however i will not be voting for them. Although i agree with vast quantities of their manifesto, banning the use of global warming propaganda and other policies to me show that this party is far from ready to be in charge of the country. Although we all complain about 'the state of the country' now, nothing in your worst nightmare would be as bad as the possibility of a fascist and oppressive government.

 

What's fascist about questioning global warming?

What's oppressive about restoring democracy?

 

A refusal to tolerate an alternative view is the very definition of fascism. That is a speciality of the Left not the Right.

[Mr-Sheen]

It is oppressive to ban people from watching a documentary because it goes against what you believe in.