syborg Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I've been a referee for a friend who has recently applied for his fac. I was given a caution nearly 7 yrs ago for possession of the ol wacky baccy. I was never prosecuted or taken to court. I was very up front with the police about it and I believe this helped me avoid further action. I have since gained my sgc and obviously this caution was put in my forms and me and my feo discussed this issue during my interview..he was happy that it was hickup in my younger days an granted me the sgc. My friend who applied for fac had a phonecall yesterday stating that one of the two refs was unsuitable. The other chap I don't know much about..would my caution deem me unsuitable to be a ref even tho I was deemed ok to possess shotguns? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Only the police can decide that. If it turns out to be you I would ring your FEO and find out why you are deemed suitable to hold an SGC but not provide a reference. Must admit I'm a bit surprised but dont know if a caution pushes you over the edge for a ref? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Doesn't a caution count as an admission of guilt though, that's why basc etc always say dont accept one. A friend of mine spent the day in police cells and was questioned over his unknowing purchase of a stolen teleporter, no further action was ever taken and he had no caution but he still turned down as a friends referee for a fac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 yup I would suggest he needs to find another referee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabarm gamma boy Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Ring basc mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 . A friend of mine spent the day in police cells and was questioned over his unknowing purchase of a stolen teleporter, surely with a teleporter, he could have whisked back a few days, and it would never have happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Unfortunately it only does 40kph, not 88mph so not fast enough for actual time travel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I've been a referee for a friend who has recently applied for his fac. I was given a caution nearly 7 yrs ago for possession of the ol wacky baccy. I was never prosecuted or taken to court. I was very up front with the police about it and I believe this helped me avoid further action. I have since gained my sgc and obviously this caution was put in my forms and me and my feo discussed this issue during my interview..he was happy that it was hickup in my younger days an granted me the sgc. My friend who applied for fac had a phonecall yesterday stating that one of the two refs was unsuitable. The other chap I don't know much about..would my caution deem me unsuitable to be a ref even tho I was deemed ok to possess shotguns? Regards Seems a dit daft if you already have a SGC, but they say you are not suitable to be a referee for a FAC! Regions work in ways that are beyond me sometimes....ARE YOU SURE it is you that is unsuitable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Wouldn't they tell your friend which of the referees was unsuitable, or are they simply saying get a third referee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Apparently one of us is unsuitable.. Anyway I've rang basc and they say it could just be an admin cock up as there are two different checks. One is a pnc and the other is the shotgun licence check. Assuming only the pnc one was checked it could be the reason. Even tho I've been deemed acceptable to posses shotguns...if i am the unsuitable ref it makes A mockery of the whole firearms licence system.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 They won't say who it is as it basically incriminates them... I've spoken to the firearms unit and basc and still Not really any the wiser.. Just very irritating to someone who has gone out of their way to keep pc plod and everyone happy by being a good boy and have this in the back of your mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 They won't say who it is as it basically incriminates them... I've spoken to the firearms unit and basc and still Not really any the wiser.. Just very irritating to someone who has gone out of their way to keep pc plod and everyone happy by being a good boy and have this in the back of your mind... the thing is though you haven't you have been caught in possession of an illegal substance, while that doesn't stop you holding a SGC they do want people with no criminal record as referees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 It does not stop you being a referee mate it may just be the police force issuing the fac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 It's ridiculous, so why would they want people with minor criminal records to posses shotguns but not be able to vouch for someone else... In that case they may as well make everyone in this country with a caution unsuitable to drive, vote, have kids ,sign any legally binding document or work with dangerous plant and machinery.. It's a joke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 the definition is that you should be of good character and obviously that is up for debate as you have admitted breaking the law as part of the caution and for a drugs offence. The good character part presumably different forces put different definitions on but it does crop up on here from time to time when people have had their referees refused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syborg Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Gods knows jody... Either way it's got me rattled.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Gods knows jody... Either way it's got me rattled.. It shouldn't really be a concern as assuming it is you then it only means you can't referee for FAC its not the end of the world, as a referee they don't discuss things with you and you can't argue the fact you are either suitable or not. I don't know whether the applicant can find out who isn't suitable to double check but all they need to do is get another referee and job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 It does NOT stop you from being a refferee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 It does NOT stop you from being a refferee! It seems in this instance it does, harsh I agree but the reality is the issuing force concerned says it does so the FAC applicant needs to get another referee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 It seems in this instance it does, harsh I agree but the reality is the issuing force concerned says it does so the FAC applicant needs to get another referee. though it seems likely its not definite it could be the other referee, its one of those things where rather than argue the toss the applicant just needs to get another referee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) though it seems likely its not definite it could be the other referee, its one of those things where rather than argue the toss the applicant just needs to get another referee. Exactly, all speculation, BUT whichever way you look at it the applicant needs another referee asap. If the OP is really that concerned simply phone your region, tell them your history and say somebody else has asked you to be a referee, ASK THEM IF YOU QUALIFY? Edited April 9, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 It seems in this instance it does, harsh I agree but the reality is the issuing force concerned says it does so the FAC applicant needs to get another referee. Then I suggest it may well be worth challenging with the help of the BASC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 BASC are highly unlikely to do more than offer advice its not something that can really be challenged, the police won't tell them which referee it is any more than the referees themselves. Their advice will simply be get another referee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Then I suggest it may well be worth challenging with the help of the BASC! Even if you did/could its a matter of Nose and Face syndrome, how long will this take? The applicant will want to get on with the application process and will be more than nervous of getting on the wrong side of his region already no doubt! Edited April 9, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 though it seems likely its not definite it could be the other referee, its one of those things where rather than argue the toss the applicant just needs to get another referee. My point entirely Even if you did/could its a matter of Nose and Face syndrome, how long will this take? The applicant will want to get on with the application process and will be more than nervous of getting on the wrong side of his region already no doubt! +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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