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I've been a referee for a friend who has recently applied for his fac.

I was given a caution nearly 7 yrs ago for possession of the ol wacky baccy. I was never prosecuted or taken to court. I was very up front with the police about it and I believe this helped me avoid further action. I have since gained my sgc and obviously this caution was put in my forms and me and my feo discussed this issue during my interview..he was happy that it was hickup in my younger days an granted me the sgc.

 

My friend who applied for fac had a phonecall yesterday stating that one of the two refs was unsuitable. The other chap I don't know much about..would my caution deem me unsuitable to be a ref even tho I was deemed ok to possess shotguns?

 

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Only the police can decide that. If it turns out to be you I would ring your FEO and find out why you are deemed suitable to hold an SGC but not provide a reference. Must admit I'm a bit surprised but dont know if a caution pushes you over the edge for a ref?

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Doesn't a caution count as an admission of guilt though, that's why basc etc always say dont accept one. A friend of mine spent the day in police cells and was questioned over his unknowing purchase of a stolen teleporter, no further action was ever taken and he had no caution but he still turned down as a friends referee for a fac.

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I've been a referee for a friend who has recently applied for his fac.

I was given a caution nearly 7 yrs ago for possession of the ol wacky baccy. I was never prosecuted or taken to court. I was very up front with the police about it and I believe this helped me avoid further action. I have since gained my sgc and obviously this caution was put in my forms and me and my feo discussed this issue during my interview..he was happy that it was hickup in my younger days an granted me the sgc.

 

My friend who applied for fac had a phonecall yesterday stating that one of the two refs was unsuitable. The other chap I don't know much about..would my caution deem me unsuitable to be a ref even tho I was deemed ok to possess shotguns?

 

Regards

 

 

Seems a dit daft if you already have a SGC, but they say you are not suitable to be a referee for a FAC!

 

Regions work in ways that are beyond me sometimes....ARE YOU SURE it is you that is unsuitable?

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Apparently one of us is unsuitable..

Anyway I've rang basc and they say it could just be an admin cock up as there are two different checks. One is a pnc and the other is the shotgun licence check.

Assuming only the pnc one was checked it could be the reason. Even tho I've been deemed acceptable to posses shotguns...if i am the unsuitable ref it makes A mockery of the whole firearms licence system..

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They won't say who it is as it basically incriminates them... I've spoken to the firearms unit and basc and still

Not really any the wiser..

Just very irritating to someone who has gone out of their way to keep pc plod and everyone happy by being a good boy and have this in the back of your mind...

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They won't say who it is as it basically incriminates them... I've spoken to the firearms unit and basc and still

Not really any the wiser..

Just very irritating to someone who has gone out of their way to keep pc plod and everyone happy by being a good boy and have this in the back of your mind...

 

the thing is though you haven't you have been caught in possession of an illegal substance, while that doesn't stop you holding a SGC they do want people with no criminal record as referees.

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It's ridiculous,

so why would they want people with minor criminal records to posses shotguns but not be able to vouch for someone else...

In that case they may as well make everyone in this country with a caution unsuitable to drive, vote, have kids ,sign any legally binding

document or work with dangerous plant and machinery..

It's a joke...

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the definition is that you should be of good character and obviously that is up for debate as you have admitted breaking the law as part of the caution and for a drugs offence. The good character part presumably different forces put different definitions on but it does crop up on here from time to time when people have had their referees refused.

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Gods knows jody... Either way it's got me rattled..

 

It shouldn't really be a concern as assuming it is you then it only means you can't referee for FAC its not the end of the world, as a referee they don't discuss things with you and you can't argue the fact you are either suitable or not. I don't know whether the applicant can find out who isn't suitable to double check but all they need to do is get another referee and job done.

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It seems in this instance it does, harsh I agree but the reality is the issuing force concerned says it does so the FAC applicant needs to get another referee.

 

though it seems likely its not definite it could be the other referee, its one of those things where rather than argue the toss the applicant just needs to get another referee.

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though it seems likely its not definite it could be the other referee, its one of those things where rather than argue the toss the applicant just needs to get another referee.

 

 

Exactly, all speculation, BUT whichever way you look at it the applicant needs another referee asap.

 

If the OP is really that concerned simply phone your region, tell them your history and say somebody else has asked you to be a referee, ASK THEM IF YOU QUALIFY? :good:

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It seems in this instance it does, harsh I agree but the reality is the issuing force concerned says it does so the FAC applicant needs to get another referee.

Then I suggest it may well be worth challenging with the help of the BASC!

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BASC are highly unlikely to do more than offer advice its not something that can really be challenged, the police won't tell them which referee it is any more than the referees themselves. Their advice will simply be get another referee

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Then I suggest it may well be worth challenging with the help of the BASC!

 

Even if you did/could its a matter of Nose and Face syndrome, how long will this take?

 

The applicant will want to get on with the application process and will be more than nervous of getting on the wrong side of his region already no doubt!

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though it seems likely its not definite it could be the other referee, its one of those things where rather than argue the toss the applicant just needs to get another referee.

My point entirely

 

 

Even if you did/could its a matter of Nose and Face syndrome, how long will this take?

 

The applicant will want to get on with the application process and will be more than nervous of getting on the wrong side of his region already no doubt!

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