Just made the switch to UKIP

[bruno22rf]

Go UKIP times are a changing.

[krugerandsmith]

Go UKIP times are a changing.

 

UKIP will get my vote .... The others are proven liars.

[Bleeh]

The issue I have, and the thing most UKIP/BNP/SNP party supporters can't seem to answer is any question to do anything other than leaving the EU/Immigration/United Kingdom

"So, what about the parties policy on tax reforms for the top 15%? Converting Brownfield sites for construction? Energy policies? NHS funding? GCSE'S? etc etc". And the answer is always fairly tacked on because they are political movements which are essentially one trick ponies.

I also don't understand why people go on about how poorly UK business is doing, then they think that they can help them out by leaving the EU, which is essentially the strongest tool any Business in the UK currently has for growth. The answer to the issue is to vote in someone who wants to strengthen our power in Brussels and take less ****, not just jump ship of the whole thing completely.

Edited April 20, 2013 by Bleeh

[shaun4860]

I used to say that here, but it IS changing

 

KW

Strange thing is,

 

Our MEP is a Tory, only because it takes a far wider "audience" of voters getting out of the "everything is the tories (maggies) fault".....

 

UKIP is slowly gaining ground, but VERY slowly, they get my vote but will take years and years to change, sad as it seems it will take all the older mining generation and possibly another couple of generations to pass away before we see any real change.

 

Our County council is Lib Dem led,(people tried for a change from being Labour led) but they are as bad if not worse than Labour were.....

 

Seems we are in the mire for many many years to come

 

[Gimlet]

The issue I have, and the thing most UKIP/BNP/SNP party supporters can't seem to answer is any question to do anything other than leaving the EU/Immigration/United Kingdom

 

"So, what about the parties policy on tax reforms for the top 15%? Converting Brownfield sites for construction? Energy policies? NHS funding? GCSE'S? etc etc". And the answer is always fairly tacked on because they are political movements which are essentially one trick ponies.

 

I also don't understand why people go on about how poorly UK business is doing, then they think that they can help them out by leaving the EU, which is essentially the strongest tool any Business in the UK currently has for growth. The answer to the issue is to vote in someone who wants to strengthen our power in Brussels and take less ****, not just jump ship of the whole thing completely.

 

Don't lump UKIP, or the SNP for that matter, in with the BNP. That is an insult to the intelligence. The BNP are white supremacists. UKIP and the SNP emphatically are not. Nor are either party racist. As a point of interest, not that it matters, Nigel Farage's wife is German and his children are bi-lingual.

UKIP has a complete manifesto on all the issues you raise.

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies

You can download the entire manifesto or get an over view under Policies. You will see UKIP is very far from a one trick pony.

Neither is the party anti immigration. What we object to and have pledged to bring to an end is the surrender of border policy and immigration controls to the EU. UKIP wants Britain and only Britain to control its borders and set immigration criteria based on our economic needs with a view to manitaining a sustainable population and a stable economy.

The present EU policy of unrestricted movement is designed to undermine the concept of the nation state. There is no question of renegotiating the architecture of the EU or Britains status within it. The Lisbon treaty (signed by Gordon Brown) specifically rules that out in perpetuity. The EU was never intended to be a trading block or a federation of sovereign nations. It is and always was a framework designed to bring about by slow increments the dissolution of nation states and the foundation of a single superstate to rival the USA. There has never been any secret about this within the EU Commission. It is national governments that like to keep it quiet. UKIP and its supporters want no part in such a thing and the only way to avoid it is by leaving the EU altogether.

Also it is not true that the EU represents Britain best opportunity for growth. The EU places a heavy legal and regulatory burden on business that makes us internationally uncompetitive.

[NickS]

Hang on to the literature - it may be worth something to collectors of political memorabilia in a few years time when they have vanished or merged again with the Tories.

 

Nick

[Livefast123]

UKIP for the win

[AVB]

They definately are gaining support. Latest opinion poll is as follows:

 

CON 29 (+2); LAB 38 (-2); LIB DEM 10 (-1); UKIP 15 (+2)

 

Which if repeated in a General Election would give Libour a majority of about 90.

 

UKIP will probably get a bit more stronger but surely they wouldn't close the gap.

 

We're doomed.

Edited April 20, 2013 by AVB

[kdubya]

They definately are gaining support. Latest opinion poll is as follows:

 

CON 29 (+2); LAB 38 (-2); LIB DEM 10 (-1); UKIP 15 (+2)

 

Which if repeated in a General Election would give Libour a majority of about 90.

 

UKIP will probably get a bit more stronger but surely they wouldn't close the gap.

 

We're doomed.

sadly we are doomed regardless of UKIP's contribution, does anyone really believe this present bunch of clueless cretins will be re-elected over the waiting to pounce millipede lets give our country away barmy army?

 

KW

[unapalomablanca]

Farage has been doing a whistle stop tour of all the places he is putting up nominees. All those that think it's just a fringe protest vote are so sure and so negative about ukip. I really cant bear people who are given the alternative they beg for. but are so blinkered they cant see it. Give this man your vote, astound the world and vote him in as prime minister. It just needs that change of mentality and it will happen. Do you really want another five years of coalition or silliband.

[Boromir]

Have not done any research on it but I would like to know what people from other European countries think about being in the EU, as its seems that a lot of Italians are following UKIP.

[Gunnerbob]

Don't lump UKIP, or the SNP for that matter, in with the BNP. That is an insult to the intelligence. The BNP are white supremacists. UKIP and the SNP emphatically are not. Nor are either party racist. As a point of interest, not that it matters, Nigel Farage's wife is German and his children are bi-lingual.

UKIP has a complete manifesto on all the issues you raise.

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies

You can download the entire manifesto or get an over view under Policies. You will see UKIP is very far from a one trick pony.

Neither is the party anti immigration. What we object to and have pledged to bring to an end is the surrender of border policy and immigration controls to the EU. UKIP wants Britain and only Britain to control its borders and set immigration criteria based on our economic needs with a view to manitaining a sustainable population and a stable economy.

The present EU policy of unrestricted movement is designed to undermine the concept of the nation state. There is no question of renegotiating the architecture of the EU or Britains status within it. The Lisbon treaty (signed by Gordon Brown) specifically rules that out in perpetuity. The EU was never intended to be a trading block or a federation of sovereign nations. It is and always was a framework designed to bring about by slow increments the dissolution of nation states and the foundation of a single superstate to rival the USA. There has never been any secret about this within the EU Commission. It is national governments that like to keep it quiet. UKIP and its supporters want no part in such a thing and the only way to avoid it is by leaving the EU altogether.

Also it is not true that the EU represents Britain best opportunity for growth. The EU places a heavy legal and regulatory burden on business that makes us internationally uncompetitive.

Good points well made..

[scouser]

been labour all my life [dad was a shop steward] when the witch was in you knew you where ****-d. then the Blair gobsh--e got in and nothing changed, so next time it will be UKIP for me, even if he do,s hate the union,s, plus i,am to old to learn German.

[Reece]

The issue I have, and the thing most UKIP/BNP/SNP party supporters can't seem to answer is any question to do anything other than leaving the EU/Immigration/United Kingdom

 

"So, what about the parties policy on tax reforms for the top 15%? Converting Brownfield sites for construction? Energy policies? NHS funding? GCSE'S? etc etc". And the answer is always fairly tacked on because they are political movements which are essentially one trick ponies.

 

I also don't understand why people go on about how poorly UK business is doing, then they think that they can help them out by leaving the EU, which is essentially the strongest tool any Business in the UK currently has for growth. The answer to the issue is to vote in someone who wants to strengthen our power in Brussels and take less ****, not just jump ship of the whole thing completely.

 

Don't compare UKIP and the SNP to the BNP. As Gilmet said, that is an insult to intelligence.

 

UKIP is about lots more than the EU and immigration. Read through their policies on the military, NHS, energy, criminal justice, countryside, etc. UKIP's general message is one of minimal government intervention.

They focus on the EU is because the EU controls a lot of different aspects of society, therefore the EU isn't even a "single issue" - it impacts on everything.

 

Britain does not need the EU for business. Renegotiation is impossible under the terms of various treaties our country has signed (without democratic consent), we must accept all EU regulations in full. So we cannot "renegotiate", all that is is a way for politicians to pretend to do something about the problem, while achieving absolutely nothing. They might as well go bang their heads against a brick wall if they want to "renegotiate".

The only way we can get a better deal is to get out completely. The EU exports more to us than we do to them, so they need us more than we need them. Furthermore, not being in the EU does not stop us trading with EU countries. Britain is more than capable of surviving and thriving outside the EU, the belief that we will collapse and burn the day we leave is complete nonsense.

I'm pretty sure it was Gimlet who said a while back that this attitude is a bit like Stockholm syndrome - we seem to think we need the EU to be able to survive and thrive as a country, we see our captor (the EU) as our protector, when in reality the EU is nothing but.

 

But even if the EU did have any real economic benefits, what EU supporters would effectively be saying is that sovereignty is something that we can sell out for a bit of cash. I disagree with that, sovereignty is a vital part of nation state democracy and you cannot put a price on it.

Edited April 20, 2013 by Reece